Sherri Dew on what women "get"

[Anonymous]

DJ, I’m glad the words in the temple do not bother you. To be honest why would they? You are coming from a position of authority and power in the church. You can be inactive for 10 years and still be called to a position of authority overnight. A 100% active,temple recommend woman will ALWAYS have to defer to any male priesthood holder. So yes the words of the temple would not bother you because you already have a seat and a voice at the tabel even after you got up and left the tabel. That is why when women are not even “symbolically” allowed to covenant directly to HF it is the ultimate betrayal and dismissal of women’s eternal worth. Even here in the temple you are not important enough to speak and covenant with HF. It doesn’t matter if you personally don’t believe it “works that way” because it is used to justify so many abuses in marriages and how things function on a ward level for lds women.

As far as Dew, claiming we are better to our women in the lds church because women of other faiths have it worse is akin to claiming “hey at least in our religion our male leaders allow us to us anesthesia when we perform female genital mutilation so see how empowered our male religious leaders allow us to be ?” Ughhhh

[Anonymous]

I know it’s difficult to express this, Dax, but my whole point is that I don’t internalize any of the wording in the temple. The words are all made up by men and they have almost nothing to do with the purpose of being there. I don’t know how to word this, but in essence I don’t believe anyone really covenants anything in the temple. Hence, to me the point about female subservience is moot. And again I will point out that Sr. Dew did not mention this aspect of the temple at all, and in fact said almost nothing about the temple.

In context of Sr. Dew’s presentation, right at the end she talks about each of getting all that the Father has. I do believe that is possible, I don’t think it depends on whether we are male or female and I can find no scriptural support for it being otherwise. I think Sr. Dew also believes it possible.

As a side note, I not only listen to what people say, I listen to what they don’t say. I’m not a huge Sherri Dew fan, but I have heard some of her talks. What she doesn’t say is quite interesting.

[Anonymous]

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right at the end she talks about each of getting all that the Father has

That’s simply not supported by the temple ceremony, but I get what you are saying about not paying it any heed.

[Anonymous]

hawkgrrrl wrote:

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right at the end she talks about each of getting all that the Father has

That’s simply not supported by the temple ceremony….

That may be so (I’ll have to try to pay closer attention next time I go), but it is supported in scripture. Taking what Sr. Dew said at face value without reading anything else into it, it’s supported by her statement as well.

[Anonymous]

I’ve always had a problem with:

Men get the priesthood and the presiding “responsibility”

Women get to be mothers.

But…Men get the priesthood AND they also get to be fathers.

I mean, a woman can’t be a mother without having a participating father (in a general sense).

So that really just leaves women as…we get to be mothers.

For those who say that men can’t “bear” children…lol!! How many men do you know who can’t wait to push something the size of a watermelon out of something the size of a lemon (even with pain meds…it takes time to heal down there)? I mean, really? How many men want to hang over a toilet for 4 months straight losing meal after meal? How many men really, really want to lose a fair amount of mobility because there is another human inside of them? And, for those women who can’t have children…how many men really want to sit on a pad for a a solid week out of every month because they are leaking bloody fluid? :thumbdown:

Sorry – being pregnant now is not helping this post, is it? I just really want to sleep through the night without someone kicking my bladder every few hours. :crazy:

But in all reality – I don’t want the priesthood.

But I don’t want someone to tell me that I should want it, and as a consolation prize I “get” to bear children. *even if I don’t want to sometimes* (talk about being trapped!).

My husband doesn’t ever tell me what to do and when/how we have children is really up to me not him. I’m the one who “runs” my house. I have no complaints that men “command me”…they may ignore my ideas, but I don’t feel “ruled over”

I think many women feel the same way I do. I guess for me, the real disconnect is the temple…(well, PEC/WC is a different topic)…

The temple is the worst place for me for two reasons:

I have to cover my face and rebreathe my own CO2 :eh:

and

I “can’t” know my husband’s new name (though I’m sure I could find it on the internet if I really wanted to) :think:

Until one of those two things change, I have zero desire to attend the temple anymore. Sad, huh?

For me…only then will I feel like the church leadership is taking positive steps.

No, I don’t think God or Jesus wrote the temple script to include those things. I think they are the philosophies of men… :problem:

[Anonymous]

My general impression of this talk goes back to Mormons having horns. 😈 Now I have never heard any non-Mormon claim that Mormons have horns (and I imagine that anyone that believes this must have no clue how human anatomy works) but I have heard this story retold with particular glee several times by Mormons. Why?

Because it paints our critics as hopelessly inept and clueless. They apparently have no real ammunition to use against the church and yet are so desperate to do so that they will tell the wildest of tales.

To bring this back to this talk. Sister Dew seems to be trying to do the same thing with the legend of the “oppressed Mormon woman.” [Begin Sarcasm] It is not the poor misinformed reporter’s fault when he asked about being an oppressed Mormon woman. He was simply repeating what he had heard, the type of baseless and somewhat ridiculous slander leveled against us by our enemies for centuries. [End Sarcasm]

And thus Sister Dew sidestepped the issue by pretending that there was no issue – just a mirage created by our enemies and perpetuated by people that don’t know any better. That is my bird’s eye view of this talk.

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