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“Take a walk in nature. Watch a sunset, and find out what the restored gospel means to you personally.” – Pres. Urtchdorf I LOVE that quote, cwald. Thanks for reminding me of it. Quote:“I don’t know who discovered water, but I’m pretty sure it wasn’t a fish.” — Marshall McLuhan (1911-1980)
This may be a quote from Ernst Cassirer, my notes are incomplete, it is found in Reflections of a Mormon Historian p.165 “Reason and mythmaking are both avenues to truth and beauty and goodness. Man requires and benefits from both reason and poetry, both reason and imagination, both reason and religion. If reason helps man to think objectively, myth enables him to utilize and exhibit the power of subjective feeling of the poetic aspect of life.” Leonard Arrington said: “I was never preoccupied with the question of the historicity of Joseph Smith’s first vision …or of the many reported epiphanies in Mormon, Christian, or Hebrew history. I am prepared to accept them as historical or as metaphorical, as symbolical, or as precisely what happened. That they convey religious truth is the essential issue, and of this I have never had any doubt.”
I also like what B.H. Roberts said: “Simple faith …faith without understanding of the thing believed, is not equal to intelligent faith, the faith that is …supplemented by earnest endeavor to find through prayerful thought and research a rational ground for faith – for acceptance of truth; and hence the duty of striving for a rational faith in which the intellect as well as the heart …has a place and is factor.” (The Seventy’s Course in Theology, last volume)
Brigham Young: “Man …destined to be a God, has to act as an independent being, and is left [by God] to see what he will do, to practice depending on his own resources, to be righteous in the dark, to do the best he can when left to himself to show his capacity.”
Joseph Smith: “I did not like the old man being called up for erring in doctrine. It looks too much like the Methodist, and not like the Latter-day Saints. Methodists have creeds which a man must believe or be asked out of their church. I want the liberty of thinking and believing as I please. It feels so good not to be trammeled. It does not prove that a man is not a good man because he errs in doctrine. (History of the Church, 5:340)
Regarding human foibles President McKay told fellow General Authorities, “Now, Brethren, don’t you worry too much. It’s good for a every dog to have a few fleas.” Besides, he said, “Perfect people would be awfully tiresome to live with; their stained-glass view of things would seem a constant sermon without intermission, a continuous moral snub of superiority to our self-respect.” Rise of Modern Mormonism p.22
Paul H. Dunn observed: “Here I am a young buck coming into the system, and the circulation is, ‘Let’s excommunicate the Sterling McMurrins of the Church, and weed out the liberals.’ That got thrown around a lot. Even poor Lowell Bennion got thrown into some of that. If it hadn’t been for President McKay, we’d have had a fiasco on Lowell Bennion. There’s one of the sweetest, great Christians of the world. …I watched [Bennion] save kids that nobody else could. And yet there was that element in the church that tried to get him bumped, because he didn’t teach what they taught. I’ve found in the church, and this is what gave me great comfort with President McKay, that there is room for all of them, not just a few, not just those here or there, but the whole spectrum. President McKay would say [several times I heard him] ‘if you would have to take action on that kind of a person thinking that way, you’d better take action on me, too.’” ibid p.44
In a private meeting with Sterling McMurrin at a time when McMurrin’s church membership was in peril, McKay commented; “I would like to know just what it is that a man must be required to believe to be a member of this Church. Or, what it is that he is not permitted to believe, and remain a member of this Church. I would like to know just what that is. Is it evolution? I hope not, because I believe in evolution.” He kept his views private, however, [because he recognized the important difference between personal opinion and official doctrine]. ibid p.46
“I have a small mind, and I mean to use it.” – Antonin Artaud LOVE THESE 2!!! Quote:Joseph Smith: “I did not like the old man being called up for erring in doctrine. It looks too much like the Methodist, and not like the Latter-day Saints. Methodists have creeds which a man must believe or be asked out of their church. I want the liberty of thinking and believing as I please. It feels so good not to be trammeled. It does not prove that a man is not a good man because he errs in doctrine. (History of the Church, 5:340)
Regarding human foibles President McKay told fellow General Authorities:
Quote:“Now, Brethren, don’t you worry too much. It’s good for a every dog to have a few fleas.”
He also said:
Quote:“Perfect people would be awfully tiresome to live with; their stained-glass view of things would seem a constant sermon without intermission, a continuous moral snub of superiority to our self-respect.” Rise of Modern Mormonism p.22
canadiangirl wrote:LOVE THESE 2!!!
Joseph Smith: “I did not like the old man being called up for erring in doctrine. It looks too much like the Methodist, and not like the Latter-day Saints. Methodists have creeds which a man must believe or be asked out of their church. I want the liberty of thinking and believing as I please. It feels so good not to be trammeled. It does not prove that a man is not a good man because he errs in doctrine. (History of the Church, 5:340)
Yeah, I actually printed off this quote and used it in my debacle lesson sunday with the SP. It is a great quote, It was even acknowledged.
Quote:there are so many “shoulds” and “should nots” that merely keeping track of them can be a challenge. Sometimes, well-meaning amplifications of divine principles—many coming from uninspired sources—complicate matters further, diluting the purity of divine truth with man-made addenda. One person’s good idea—something that may work for him or her—takes root and becomes an expectation. And gradually, eternal principles can get lost within the labyrinth of “good ideas.”-Pres Uchtdorf
Quote:“If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things.” Rene Descartes
Doubt doesn’t have to include anger or rejection of all things…just that we seek the truth and challenge ourselves in order to grow, IMO.
canadiangirl wrote:LOVE THESE 2!!!
Joseph Smith: “I did not like the old man being called up for erring in doctrine. It looks too much like the Methodist, and not like the Latter-day Saints. Methodists have creeds which a man must believe or be asked out of their church. I want the liberty of thinking and believing as I please. It feels so good not to be trammeled. It does not prove that a man is not a good man because he errs in doctrine. (History of the Church, 5:340)
Wow, this one applies to the problem I’m facing with head-shaking and other objections from people who think their approach to the gospel is superior in my lessons as an adult SS teacher. Who is the old man JS is referring to?
“Do any of us bargain for our lives? It seems to me that people just fall into them and then do the best they can.” Liz Murray (inspirational speaker born to drug addicted parents, homeless at 15, went on to largely overcome her misfortune) Thanks everyone. I’ve copied a bunch off. I keep them tucked in my scriptures for those unexpected moments in church when a perfect quote can change the conversation. Quote:If our religion is something objective, then we must never avert our eyes from those elements in it which seem puzzling or repellant; for it will be precisely the puzzling or the repellant which conceals what we do not yet know and need to know … the truth we need most is hidden precisely in the doctrines you least like and least understand. – CS Lewis
Quote:Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. –Buddhist saying
“You can claim anything as a fact on the internet with authority, so long as you attribute it to someone famous.” -George Washington
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