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April 23, 2017 at 2:07 pm #211413
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GuestMy son is turning 12 this week. He has an uneasy relationship with the church (largely because of the church’s treatment of women/blacks/gays) but he is on board with being ordained to the priesthood. He’s not happy about the idea of passing the sacrament every Sunday. He is a smart, non conforming kid and “because I said so” doesn’t usually work. He is also high functioning autistic and has ADHD. Husband is very upset about this , he says there’s no point in being a deacon if you don’t pass the sacrament.
Thoughts?
April 23, 2017 at 3:49 pm #320568Anonymous
GuestI’m sitting here remembering and grinning. When my Aspie daughter turned 12, she was asked to be the Beehive secretary. She refused because she did not think that she was up to the challenge. There was lots of eye rolling from leadership. We sat down with the manual and went over the list of requirements. She decided to try the position with the understanding that she could request to be released if she felt overwhelmed. She was the best secretary they ever had. The president would show up to council meetings and DD had made sure the meeting minutes and Beehive Class History were current and up to date.
YW leadership were actually stunned at DD’s level of detail and effort. DD was thrilled to recognize that she was up to leadership positions. She realized that she could handle ANY of the positions.
Maybe tell your son that it’s okay to try passing the sacrament. Have him come up and practice his route. Make sure he has an assigned route. As he gets more comfortable, his anxiety will decrease and he might decide that he wants to continue doing it .. or not.
April 23, 2017 at 6:08 pm #320569Anonymous
Guest1) Your husband is wrong. If someone in a wheelchair is worthy of being ordained a deacon (or any other office in the hierarchical Priesthood) but unable to participate in ordinances, he shouldn’t be kept from being ordained. For example, if someone is paralyzed from the neck down but understands everything well enough, he shouldn’t be kept from being a Deacon, Teacher, Priest, Elder, or High Priest. Someone with a severe stutter that keeps him from speaking in public still should be able to be a Priest. 2) These situations are so individual and personal that they have to be evaluated at that level. I would encourage him to be ordained, since he is fine with it, and encourage him to try passing the sacrament after observing closely one particular “route” for a few weeks (length determined together). He needs to be able to try it and continue or stop, based on his own wishes – and that ability to continue or stop should continue throughout his life. I would tell the leadership exactly what the plan is and insist on it being followed.
I think setting this pattern (choosing what to do and how to do it, with the chance to step in and out based on his own choice) will serve him well – and, for your husband, it can be framed as teaching him to be “an agent unto himself”.
April 23, 2017 at 6:24 pm #320570Anonymous
GuestI’d try to accommodate your son’s wishes. He’s on board with receiving the priesthood but doesn’t want to pass the sacrament. He can do that. I think sometimes we tend to view things backwards at church. In this case… we’re ordained to be a deacon… but only when we’re ready… except that’s not how it works. I think we’re ordained to be a deacon, then grow into the “responsibilities” of being a deacon. We become fathers, then grow into the role and responsibilities that come along with being a father. Etc.
So your son wants to be ordained. If he goes ahead and gets ordained now he’s ready to go the instant that he feels comfortable to pass the sacrament. Maybe the ordination is what it takes to serve as a catalyst to passing the sacrament.
April 23, 2017 at 9:20 pm #320571Anonymous
GuestI agree with much of what has been said before. Let him be ordained, but don’t force passing the sacrament. Passing the sacrament is the responsibility of the priesthood as a whole. I am sure your husband doesn’t pass the sacrament, and he is under just as much obligation as your son. There are plenty of valid reasons for refusing to pass. He wants let someone else have the opportunity. He doesn’t feel worthy. He has a health problem which prevents it. He has social anxiety. His consience is against it. He simply doesn’t want to. They are all equally valid reasons for not passing the sacrament. If your husband is against it, let someone else ordain him.
April 23, 2017 at 10:53 pm #320572Anonymous
GuestMy son refused the sacrament due the fact that he doesn’t like being at church, and if he accepted the priesthood, he would “only get in deeper”. We didn’t push him and prepared ourselves that he may appear unordained on the Ward records for the rest of his life. With my current issues with the church, I stopped really being concerned about it, and didn’t even mention the priesthood when he turned 14 and was teacher age. At 14, the Bishop asks if he can be approached about being a teacher. My wife, much to my surprise, tells me a major reason for my son is that he didn’t want to pass the sacrament. Bishop says fine, he’ll coach my son on how to assert himself with the other boys, and that passing won’t be expected.
With his sacrament-passing concern resolved, my son agreed to be ordained a teacher. So, the concern about passing is apparently not unique to your son. Respect it.
I think your husband is wrong, like Ray does. Ultimately, let your son decide for himself, and love the heck out of him no matter WHAT he decides. I think the space we gave him was part of the reason he was so willing to be a teacher. He still hates going to church, but he is a teacher now, and willing to prepare the sacrament if people ask him to. He can be a teacher and not pass the sarament if he’s not comfortable doing so. Tell your husband that if your son gets the priesthood, he can pass instantly if he feels ready. If he does not receive the priesthood, then he’ll have to wait until he gets it.
Plus, in some cases (in my experience), deacons can go hometeaching, which might be a point in favor with your husband if the Bp allows it.
And deacons receive all the “rights priviledges and powers” associated with the office of a deacon. Look them up and see what those are — being a deacon also means you are a messenger for the Bishop. They can also collect fast offerings, and we did this at church rather than driving them around the Ward…Further, he can be a deacons quorum president or counselor and get leadership experience.
It’s also an opportunity for your husband, if he can ordain, to give advice that seems to come from God, which is a source of influence on your boy. The scriptures say that in the ordinances of the gospel, the power of god is manifest. So, in receiving the ordination, your son gets the opportunity to have a spiritual experience, potentially.
Bottom line, let your son have space, and love him, accept him, no matter what his choices. Prepare yourself to accept and love him even if he goes the rest of his life unordained. You can also feel at peace about it. Tell your husband there’s more to being a deacon, and participating in ordination than passing the sacrament.
When he’s 14, ask again and see what he thinks…
April 24, 2017 at 2:54 pm #320573Anonymous
GuestIn our ward we have a mentally handicapped guy who was baptized a couple years ago. Although an adult, he was ordained a deacon because he is clearly unable to bless the sacrament. He does pass, but even though he has been doing it for over a year (he’s not there every Sunday) he needs someone to help him remember his “route.” He has also been to the temple to do baptisms. He is a deacon and participates as he desires and is able. I agree with what others have said. The point of being a deacon (or teacher, priest, elder, etc.) is not necessarily just to pass the sacrament. It’s bigger than that. Passing the sacrament is not a saving ordinance (neither is serving a mission).
Your son may eventually change his mind, perhaps only because of pressure from his peers or leaders. But either way, I see no reason he shouldn’t be ordained just because he doesn’t want to pass.
April 24, 2017 at 5:17 pm #320574Anonymous
GuestAlso, the D&C does not mention passing the sacrament as part of the responsibilities of the office of Deacon. April 24, 2017 at 8:49 pm #320575Anonymous
GuestRoy wrote:
Also, the D&C does not mention passing the sacrament as part of the responsibilities of the office of Deacon.
Even further, holding the priesthood has the implicit imperative to live worthy of it. So, someone who is unable to serve in ANY WAY in the church, would feel the need to live their life cleanly in order to be worthy of it. I guess it creates a role for them to fill, and the sense that they are authorized to act in the name of God. Whether they do act in the name of God, or not, due to whatever circumstances face them, they do have that sense that they need to be worthy of the mantle….another benefit of being ordained even if no sacrament passing is in the cards for the moment.
April 26, 2017 at 10:03 am #320576Anonymous
GuestThanks, everyone. We had the Priesthood Preview last Sunday (there are only two 11-year-old boys in our ward and their birthdays are three weeks apart). The Deacon’s quorum president sort of inadvertently made my point for me: he listed about six or eight responsibilities of a deacon, and only one of them involved passing the sacrament. We talked about that on the way home. Arguably, the most important responsibility of a deacon is to stand as a witness of God… which is funny… because my fourteen year old daughterstands up every Sunday and pledges to do that very thing. I did have to do a little bit of debriefing with DS because several of the speakers mentioned the importance of wearing a white shirt and tie and the church isn’t emphasizing that as much (especially since Packer has passed, I think). My own husband who is pretty orthodox has passed the sacrament in a
shirt and nobody leapt up to stop him.yellowApril 26, 2017 at 2:07 pm #320577Anonymous
GuestJoni wrote:
Thanks, everyone. We had the Priesthood Preview last Sunday (there are only two 11-year-old boys in our ward and their birthdays are three weeks apart). The Deacon’s quorum president sort of inadvertently made my point for me: he listed about six or eight responsibilities of a deacon, and only one of them involved passing the sacrament. We talked about that on the way home. Arguably, the most important responsibility of a deacon is to stand as a witness of God… which is funny… because my fourteen year olddaughterstands up every Sunday and pledges to do that very thing. I did have to do a little bit of debriefing with DS because
several of the speakers mentioned the importance of wearing a white shirt and tie and the church isn’t emphasizing that as much (especially since Packer has passed, I think). My own husband who is pretty orthodox has passed the sacrament in a shirt and nobody leapt up to stop him.yellow
My son and I dress in colored shirts. My wife bought him church clothing and they were all colored shirts. I am glad that is changing. We look too much like we belong in the 1950’s…Now, we have never participated in any ordinances (sacrament etcetera) dressed that way, although I did ordain my son to the priesthood in a colored shirt.
That’s one rule I’d like to see atrophy — the white shirt rule. Glad those 8 or so responsibilities came to the fore. Even husband with experience in the church can learn something from the deacons!
April 26, 2017 at 2:39 pm #320578Anonymous
GuestMy own ward is very open about the white shirt “rule.” We don’t have enough young men to do the sacrament (no active priests) so there are always adults. About a third of our men wear colored shirts (I’ve counted). In my own ward I wear a colored shirt on Sunday, mostly as a way of rebellion. Most Sundays find at least one man or boy dressed in a colored shirt either blessing or passing. We also have a young man sort of on the fringe who regularly wears jeans (but a white shirt, I think it’s his only dress shirt) who usually passes when he’s there. We have had men without a tie take part.
This story is probably only funny to me: A few weeks ago we were short someone to bless with a couple minutes to go, so someone asked one of the old guard (very orthodox) who was there. He wasn’t wearing his usual jacket, but he did have a white shirt. He didn’t go right to the table, he left the room. Apparently he decided he needed his jacket to bless and went to his car to get it. When he got back someone else had taken the spot – blue shirt, no jacket. I really did chuckle out loud as he took off his jacket and returned to sitting by his wife.
April 26, 2017 at 2:53 pm #320579Anonymous
GuestThere are a lot of colored shirts each week in our ward. We had a Priest (now a missionary) who occasionally wore a kilt when he blessed the sacrament.
April 26, 2017 at 3:33 pm #320580Anonymous
GuestI use the conference edition of the Ensign to gauge where we’re at as a culture on the whole issue of white shirts. Those editions feature pictures of “random” ( ) families showing up for conference. This past general conference edition I counted seven people with non-white shirts but I think two of the seven only looked light blue due to being in shadow.
My ward doesn’t make white shirts an issue when passing the sacrament but fewer that 10% of the people in the ward wear non-white shirts.
The last ward I was in (and this was about 2 years ago, not 20) had a white shirt rule for the sacrament. In addition to this, leaders regularly got on to me for not wearing a suit coat. They even offered to buy me one if I couldn’t afford one. I’ve got one, it’s from my pre-mission days, it’s out of style (like Johnny Carson’s suits that had lapels that extended all the way out to the shoulders, but it still fits… kinda, I just didn’t feel like wearing it so I never did, despite the warnings.
And you know the quickest way to get me to not wear a suit coat? Act like it’s a requirement. You’ve got to reverse psychology me. Tell me I can’t wear a suit coat if you want me to wear one.
April 26, 2017 at 3:39 pm #320581Anonymous
GuestWow, it’s funny how many of the young men in other wards are allowed to wear colored shirts to pass the Sacrament. The last 2 wards I was in, that was a big no no. My boys, ( who did not like to bless or pass the Sacrament) loved this rule. They just made sure they wore colored shirts every week and they never had to do it. One time they were really desperate and one of the deacons ran over to my son and asked him to pass, his friend standing next to him said “He can’t, he has a grey shirt” and they left.
Another time, they actually did let him pass in a colored shirt. I thanked they Bishop that they overlooked that rule and let him pass the Sacrament. The Bishop looked at me kind of odd like he must not have been paying attention to the color of his shirt. He was never asked to pass the Sacrament again.
Sometimes we act like the Church of the Pharisees .

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