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Rumin8 wrote:
One answer to that today was perhaps the questions are more important than the answers. Also that perhaps it’s this agitated questioning that brings change and inspiration to the 15. I don’t buy this. One of my biggest issues with the church is that if we are led by prophets, seers, and revelators, then shouldn’t they be driving the change? And I’m not talking about incidental change like ministering and the name of the church. I’m talking change to accept those who are different. Gays. Widows. Singles. Etc.
To this I’d have to say I think it’s because they live in a bubble. I know MRB argues they don’t live in a bubble and somewhere around here there’s a post about that. Just because he doesn’t recognize he’s in a bubble doesn’t mean he’s not in a bubble. Utah itself is a bubble. Living here in the east the green missionary from Utah is always easy to pick out (he or she is the wide eyed one with his or her jaw hanging open). Likewise, like most people in high positions I believe they are told what they want to hear or what their minions want them to hear, and those who might be speaking out with opinions that are different from theirs are vilified (as apostates, doubters, etc.). And finally, when they go out and “meet and greet” the membership, the members they meet are hand picked and are not the aforementioned vilified individuals. They are not meeting the gay member who disagrees with the November policy.
Rumin8 wrote:One of the interesting points was why it takes the brethren so long to change course? Why do they now trend behind social progressiveness where once, in JS time you could say the church was ahead of its time. Why does it require people like Sam Young or Kate Kelly, who perhaps push the envelope, but are agents of change nevertheless. Why do we have to lose members to force change within the church?
Could it be that the boat (church) has an old guy that is hard of hearing driving, and that the boat veers to the right and that the hull is dinged and old?
Sheldon wrote:
Could it be that the boat (church) has an old guy that is hard of hearing driving, and that the boat veers to the right and that the hull is dinged and old?
That has got to be one of the most unintentionally bad metaphors in one of the worst talks I have ever heard. Did you forget the part about the stale bread and water? Thank you, Renlunds, for making the case about the issues in the church for those of us who are at best, lukewarmly clinging to the boat that seems smaller and more dilapidated each day.
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