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I understand, Ann – but Pres. Monson definitely talks of Jesus as much as anyone. That is important to remember and mention to our kids. Often, he talks about Jesus and love and service – and nothing else. Talk starting with literal godhead, importance of the HG. Not expecting much. Might as well listen to a talk on chakras. DarkJedi wrote:
I felt that too. I don’t like the”if joseph was a prophet the rest is true” concept because the opposite then can also be true – if he isn’t then the other things are false. It’s not so black and white or all or nothing.
It’s also a logical fallacy and falls apart under inspection. And doesn’t make a difference in living the gospel.
When spirituality is based primarily on religion being “true” instead of being helpful, it falls apart when the shelf breaks.
Ann, is it important to convince your kid that the church’s focus is on Christ, or is it enough that that is her focus?
Pretty sure sticking your foot in the door is against mission rules 😆 Elder Rasband’s missionary experience is another reason I don’t deny or criticize literal beliefs in many ways. Things like that happened to me on my mission, as well, even if only once in some cases. ydeve wrote:
When spirituality is based primarily on religion being “true” instead of being helpful, it falls apart when the shelf breaks.
Really good point.
:thumbup: I have to say I have not heard the Spirit’s influence described as words before. I get that during blessings and have experienced it, but not in other things like promptings. Aside: It’s so weird to eat dinner during morning session. My dad used to say that he tried to do every good thing that hit him as something he should do. He said he didn’t care if it was a prompting or not, since he couldn’t be wrong in going good. He didn’t try to make any distinction; he simply acted. DarkJedi wrote:
I have to say I have not heard the Spirit’s influence described as words before. I get that during blessings and have experienced it, but not in other things like promptings.
I get it, I think. But I don’t see them as coming directly from God. Or rather, from one paradigm, they are promptings from God. In another paradigm, they are gut instincts or a reflection of what’s important to me.
So if Elder Rasband was also prompted in the restaurant why didn’t he talk to the family? I also agree that when we respond to needs we see, we tend to see more needs. Old Timer wrote:
My dad used to say that he tried to do every good thing that hit him as something he should do. He said he didn’t care if it was a prompting or not, since he couldn’t be wrong in going good. He didn’t try to make any distinction; he simply acted.
That was my mission presidents answer to the question on knowing if something was a prompting or not.
Rasband: Elder, you screwed up back there. You didn’t bother that family trying to enjoy their meal. Elder: But you didn’t either.
What a joke.
ydeve wrote:
DarkJedi wrote:
I have to say I have not heard the Spirit’s influence described as words before. I get that during blessings and have experienced it, but not in other things like promptings.
I get it, I think. But I don’t see them as coming directly from God. Or rather, from one paradigm, they are promptings from God. In another paradigm, they are gut instincts or a reflection of what’s important to me.
I’m not sure they come directly from God either, but I have had experiences where what I said I would not normally have said.
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