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Yeah, I’m done obeying without being given reasons. Not getting a lot out of this, and I hope my kids aren’t, either. Confident obedience, not blind obedience. That actually used to describe me.
L. Whitney Clayton – This is just such an unsettling approach. People have options. They don’t need to just pay tithing and wait a lifetime. They can go elsewhere and experiment with Christian living. Frustrated. Ann wrote:
L. Whitney Clayton – This is just such an unsettling approach. People have options. They don’t need to just pay tithing and wait a lifetime. They can go elsewhere and experiment with Christian living. Frustrated.
Agreed. And does God test our faith? If so, why?
Life tests our faith. God doesn’t need to test us beyond that. At least, that’s how I see it. DarkJedi wrote:
Ann wrote:
L. Whitney Clayton – This is just such an unsettling approach. People have options. They don’t need to just pay tithing and wait a lifetime. They can go elsewhere and experiment with Christian living. Frustrated.
Agreed. And does God test our faith? If so, why?
Should the Church test our faith? If so, why?
Ann wrote:
L. Whitney Clayton – This is just such an unsettling approach. People have options. They don’t need to just pay tithing and wait a lifetime. They can go elsewhere and experiment with Christian living. Frustrated.
They believe that theirs is the “one true church.” They don’t comprehend that that is an option. Problems that arise from this are rationalized into the fault of the person who doesn’t fit in or God’s ways not being our ways. (Ironic, given how Oaks talked about God not being incomprehensible)Although, perhaps God tests our faith through some General Conference talks. 😆 😈 Reuben wrote:
Should the Church test our faith? If so, why?
The church doesn’t test my faith in God, but it sure tests my loyalty to it.
Old Timer wrote:
Life tests our faith. God doesn’t need to test us beyond that. At least, that’s how I see it.
I’ll go with that, and not just because I feel bad for being one of the heathens dragging this thread down while you alone try to keep us positive.
Reuben wrote:heathens dragging this thread down while you alone try to keep us positive.
😆 Honestly, I am not trying to keep everyone positive. I am trying to provide a little realistic balance – which I think is critical in situations like this. 
Back to Elder Rasband- I thought it was one of the more “real” and practical talks I’ve heard. No name-dropping (Huntsman) and it did make me think of how I discard first impressions. ydeve wrote:
When spirituality is based primarily on religion being “true” instead of being helpful, it falls apart when the shelf breaks.
I’m running behind and trying to catch up.
Really good point. I know many people that have left the church for this reason alone.
Who had ‘supernal’ on their Bingo card? 😆 Old Timer wrote:
Honestly, I am not trying to keep everyone positive. I am trying to provide a little realistic balance – which I think is critical in situations like this.
Honestly, I am not trying to keep everyone negative. I am trying to provide a little realistic balance – which I think is critical in situations like this.
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