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My thoughts may carry at this time when I am terrified with weighty matters. These are matters that should be like music to my ears, at the same time I can’t escape the fear that comes with them. The fear of knowing what could happen if I come out with the least of the revelations I have received. It would undoubtedly hurt me in many ways, similar to the hurt Joseph
Smith Jr. experienced. I never understood Joseph Smith Jr. prior to my experiences, now, in some sense regretfully I do.
People of Staylds I come here because I can remain anonymous and hopefully relieve some fears.
These revelations are something I never wanted or imagined could happen. Never doubted for a second miracles could occur
after I joined the LDS faith, experienced many. Just never expected to have such a big revelation come to me, a person weak in many ways. Why have I been chosen? Who am I? I am nobody and even classify myself as weak in many ways. Could God not have spared me and chose somebody stronger. As far as such a huge revelation, I at some points through my faith journey struggled to even believe Joseph Smith Jr, received a vision. That is why it perplexes me greatly that I have received these revelations.
Then leads me to my next thought are these revelations from God or the adversary? I am scared to pray for a clarification of
who it is from, the fear is overwhelming. The Revelations were not visions of God like Joseph Smith Jr. experienced. They are revelations that I heard like a loud thunder, I can never deny. I could easily avoid them, but never deny them. Is the
adversary using me as a tool like Hyrum Smith? I can’t help but wonder… Although these revelations carry good fruit for the
world.
“Some revelations are of God: some revelations are of man: and some revelations are of the devil.” -Prophet Joseph Smith, Address to All Believers in Christ, 1887, by David Whitmer
I would add to Brother Joseph’s words that most revelations are bit of all these mixed together. We have lost track of this, I think, in the modern church where we worship the men who lead us, and put far too much trust in them, without seeking ourselves for confirmation through careful contemplation and meditation.
I’ll be a bit blunt, but a friendly form of frankness: You are going to run into a lot of skeptics here WeightyMatters. Some of us appreciate the mystical form of religious human experience. I am one of those at times. Others will feel a bit burned from past reliance on the absolute nature of revelation, having been disappointed.
You are free to share some of the details, if you are comfortable with that. I think that many people receive revelation when they seek it. It isn’t rare. Indeed, I think direct, mystical communion with the powers of the divine was they primary experience Joseph Smith wished to engender in the members of the church he founded. He didn’t so much push people to simply believe, but to go an wrestle with God for the experience themselves.
I want to be very clear, that I do not wish to persuade anybody to my revelations.I chose to clear my thoughts with people on this forum. I don’t expect anybody to believe me nor do I know if that is my mission.
The revelations I have received have been impressed upon me for a long period of time. In various ways, from dreams to experiences to the holy ghost. The loud sound of thunderous revelations has increased greatly from a single thunder to a mighty storm. O do I pray that the storm passes and sunlight come. It feels like everything that happens in my life lately is the great father above guiding me towards stepping into these revelations. It has only increased as the days draw closer to that fearful day when the course of my life may change forever.Looking back, it really looks like the whole course of my life has been intentionally plotted to prepare me for the days ahead.
The revelations have only lately intensified to where they are slowly becoming undeniable. I am at a spot where I need to
choose, do I follow or disregard. For if I follow the path that is up ahead it is like unto walking into the gates of hell
before entering a glorious new day in heaven. For if I disregard it is like walking another very good day on earth. Throughout my life I have always thought my self a brave person, desiring to do noble acts. That has recently changed with
the revelations, I can’t help but feel like a coward. A coward so scared, drenched in nothing but fear and trembling. The
solution to cowardliness is to act. The holy ghost is telling me, put aside cowardliness and act, for you are protected by
the great sword of justice.
O how long can that great sword of justice protect me for? The great followers of Christ Jesus our Savior were only protected
for a short moment. Most eventually received the not so great reward of being martyrs. O that is what my weak mind is telling me, listen to the world. For on the other hand, how great be the voice of the holy ghost? Stand up o ye brave man of the Christ Jesus this is time to water the world with glorious news. Lift up thy fathers garden to deliver the most glorious
garden unto him.
The decision is upon me, now I know what Joseph Smith Jr. struggled with. He was not the first, second or third person to be asked to accept the great calling he received. It is not hard to understand why they chose not to accept the calling. For our Great Father in Heaven is merciful, he wants somebody who will accept his most difficult callings with faith in mind. At this point in time I don’t feel like I have faith in the revelations received. Are they from our great father in heaven or from
the father of all wickedness?
That is the mighty question that has weighed me down. I am grappling with that question like David grappled with Goliath. The holy ghost is telling me that…David won! David won! David won! David defeated his beast now you must defeat your beast. You have been shown signs and omens. There is nothing else that can be shown. The next step is to have faith in Christ Jesus our Savior and to act. Despite the strong promptings from the Holy Ghost, which I am very familiar with, I still have doubts. As familiar with the Holy ghost as a herder is with his sheep. Then why do I have doubts?
My doubts stem from a righteous branch of our great father in heavens tree. That stem is the church I hold so dearly in my
heart. The church has taught me that I can have no revelations for anybody but who I have stewardship over. As a good and
faithful servant I believe them and have trouble not believing. The holy ghost has taught me, that people are foreordained
before this earth to hold stewardship. That no man knows what they have stewardship over until they are called. Similar to
how no man knew that Joseph Smith Jr. had stewardship over the world to start the restored church. Thus being called by the most high God I do indeed have stewardship.
It is hard to imagine I have knowledge over a Prophet of God. Thomas S. Monson is indeed a Prophet of God and is doing
things as best as has been revealed to him. Similar how a protestant preacher is doing things best as has been revealed to
him. Similar how a monk is doing things best has been revealed to him. The holy ghost has taught me that all religious
leaders are right as far as they know best. Nonetheless, that does not negate me from receiving the great truth in all its
complexities.
The revelations I have received, very basically, have to do with the fact that the world is evolving to fit our great father
in heaven. That the tolerance in this world is a thing of our great father in heaven. For who are we to criticize one of our
father in heavens children? Every child was born different, every child was born to fulfill a great work! That is just one of
the few things where the churches of the world are going astray from God. To caught up in what worked in older times to adapt to our father in heaven. For God is in everything and everybody. This world and his children are evolving to fit him! Christ Jesus our Saviors Crowning Church has yet to be brought forth in all its glory.
As you can tell the Holy Ghost has revealed music to the worlds ears. Not withstanding the fact that to step into these
revelations would cause great havoc in my life. This is music of our father in heaven, what the world needs! The holy ghost
teaching, for who are we to deny that our father in heaven loves all his children? The two great commandments as taught by
Christ Jesus our Savior, love the lord and your neighbor have been utterly neglected. Repeatedly overtime the Holy Ghost has said with a sound of thunder, don’t neglect the two great commandments.
For what place I have in Christ Jesus our Saviors Crowning Church I know not. Rather I am like Oliver Cowdrey a help meet or Joseph Smith or just a follower I know not. What I do know is that the Holy Ghost is telling me to step into these
revelations. Do not fear for the Sword of Justice is protecting you, Angels are around you in ranks deeper then imaginable,
and righteousness is your safe guard. My prayers are calming so I hold tight.
Sorry for the typos… When your moved by a fire you don’t stop and wave a towel at it.
I’m having a pretty difficult time understanding what you are saying. Are you planning to be a prophet starting a new church that is tolerant of gays?
I think that’s what I’m reading in your post?
It’s all cool and poetic. I can dig that. You get that language in the fibers of your bones after enough years in church classes and reading the scriptures. You aren’t really saying anything concrete enough to converse about though. If the revelations are for you, which is fine, then maybe we just aren’t a part of it? I can dig that too. Like I said above. I can appreciate the mystic experience.
bc_pg wrote:I’m having a pretty difficult time understanding what you are saying.
Are you planning to be a prophet starting a new church that is tolerant of gays?
I think that’s what I’m reading in your post?
The interesting thing is I don’t really know… I can come to my own assumptions but I just don’t know. Were both doing this>>>
:crazy: :crazy: As far as being tolerant of gays, yes, that is something that is needed. There needs to be a church for gays.
I definitely understood what you were saying with the emoticons. 
Here are a few revelations I have received, discuss: Blacks denied the Priesthood – That is when The Church started straying from our Great Father in Heaven.
Priesthood advancement – Preisthood advancement is all out of whack and not aligned with our Great Father in Heaven.
Hierarchy not chosen by spirit, but stays in family
Spend church funds in places Christ would not authorize
Word of Wisdom advised, but not a commandment
Too much weight on The Book of Mormon
The Church is too inclusive
Not teaching about transcending life and church organization
To much weight placed on church organization and not enough on individual spirituality
Doesn’t love all of God’s children
Too much placed on works and not enough on grace
Don’t have some of the priesthood offices
Can be a female leadership
The world is evolving closer to god, women less restricted, gays being accepted
WeightyMatters wrote:
The revelations I have received, very basically, have to do with the fact that the world is evolving to fit our great fatherin heaven. That the tolerance in this world is a thing of our great father in heaven. For who are we to criticize one of our
father in heavens children? Every child was born different, every child was born to fulfill a great work! That is just one of
the few things where the churches of the world are going astray from God. To caught up in what worked in older times to adapt to our father in heaven. For God is in everything and everybody. This world and his children are evolving to fit him! Christ Jesus our Saviors Crowning Church has yet to be brought forth in all its glory.
I think you’ll find many here who have also come to the conclusion that our church (and much of Christianity in general) is not tolerant enough. Whether they get there from personal revelation of just plain thinking for themselves, well, you’re not alone in that.There are many different ways of dealing with that, though. I don’t know how specific your revelations are or whether you feel like you have some leeway in accomplishing your goals, but different courses of action could have wildly different outcomes. If you immediately start proclaiming to everyone what your mission is in the same terms you have put them here there is a large possibility that you will be disfellowshipped or excommunicated from the church. On the other hand, as church members we do have some room to exercise our agency in how we interpret doctrine, and if you start spreading your message by saying things like “I believe we should love all of God’s children and leave the judging to him,” it will be hard for them to bring any real consequences down on you.
So where is the best place for you to bring about change? From inside the church, or outside? As a large, bureaucratic institution, the church is slow to change, but it does do so. And many of the changes start with the members themselves, not with the leaders at the top. Greg Prince called it “trickle up change,” and there are many instances in church history of that kind of thing working for the good of the church as a whole.
Cylon wrote:WeightyMatters wrote:
The revelations I have received, very basically, have to do with the fact that the world is evolving to fit our great fatherin heaven. That the tolerance in this world is a thing of our great father in heaven. For who are we to criticize one of our
father in heavens children? Every child was born different, every child was born to fulfill a great work! That is just one of
the few things where the churches of the world are going astray from God. To caught up in what worked in older times to adapt to our father in heaven. For God is in everything and everybody. This world and his children are evolving to fit him! Christ Jesus our Saviors Crowning Church has yet to be brought forth in all its glory.
I think you’ll find many here who have also come to the conclusion that our church (and much of Christianity in general) is not tolerant enough. Whether they get there from personal revelation of just plain thinking for themselves, well, you’re not alone in that.There are many different ways of dealing with that, though. I don’t know how specific your revelations are or whether you feel like you have some leeway in accomplishing your goals, but different courses of action could have wildly different outcomes. If you immediately start proclaiming to everyone what your mission is in the same terms you have put them here there is a large possibility that you will be disfellowshipped or excommunicated from the church. On the other hand, as church members we do have some room to exercise our agency in how we interpret doctrine, and if you start spreading your message by saying things like “I believe we should love all of God’s children and leave the judging to him,” it will be hard for them to bring any real consequences down on you.
So where is the best place for you to bring about change? From inside the church, or outside? As a large, bureaucratic institution, the church is slow to change, but it does do so. And many of the changes start with the members themselves, not with the leaders at the top. Greg Prince called it “trickle up change,” and there are many instances in church history of that kind of thing working for the good of the church as a whole.
If I get disfellowshipped or excommunicated I will be a spiritual martyr. I am confident that our great Father in Heaven will protect me until his mission, whatever it may be, is accomplished. I can only hope that they choose their actions carefully, for God will not be mocked. I have faith, like stated earlier, that the great sword of justice will protect me. That if it needs be, I am commanded to be a spiritual martyr for this cause, I will do it as Christ did, “forgive them for they know not what they do.” As the holy ghost speaks louder and louder to me it appears that my calling will cause a great and indomitable change to sweep this world. Christ Jesus garden will be watered with pure love until the day when it is so beautiful that it is acceptable unto him.
I have have had many of those same thoughts, and hold them as my opinions. So…typically on this board we discuss questions and express our feelings for which we ask for advice and support of others.
Help us find a discussion topic in your thread. What would you like the group to respond to? What questions do you have about your opinions?
I think that what you have is either bipolar I disorder and you’re manic bordering on psychosis or you’re schizophrenic. I don’t mean this to be disrespectful or demeaning. It’s something I’ve seen and had to treat and I think you need to take a step back and try and rethink what’s going on. If you’ve been on meds you need to restart or be re evaluated otherwise this isn’t going to turn out well for you. Sorry. I was going to say the same type of thing as GB, honestly. Also, our mission here explicitly is to help people stay LDS. Keep that in mind. I have no problem with people doing their own thing and following their own hearts, but we work on our mission and nothing else here at this site.
Welcome to the forum??? GBSmith wrote:I think that what you have is either bipolar I disorder and you’re manic bordering on psychosis or you’re schizophrenic. I don’t mean this to be disrespectful or demeaning. It’s something I’ve seen and had to treat and I think you need to take a step back and try and rethink what’s going on. If you’ve been on meds you need to restart or be re evaluated otherwise this isn’t going to turn out well for you. Sorry.
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