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This seems to have caused a bit of discussion… Here –
http://www.nauvoo.com/ubb/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=001167 Here –
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/topic/29377-the-book-of-jeraneck/ And elsewhere. (videos about it can be found here –
http://www.viswiki.com/en/Book_of_Jeraneck )Its official website is here, and you can get a PDF off it of the BoJ (I downloaded it), comments later
http://ldchurchofjesuschrist.org/bookofjeraneck.html It’s unusual not for being yet another Mormon splinter group, but for being an English one. Outside the USA, Mormon splinters aren’t common, and I’ve never heard of one outside the Americas…
People will notice that the young Mr Gill has more than a touch of Joseph Smith about him. in fact too much of a touch of Joseph Smith about him..
Quote:This record is a compilation of the records of the People of Light. It is a history of the ancient people who once inhabited this land. It is compiled by the hand of Jeraneck a Prophet of God under the direction of God. It is written with the spirit of prophesy and revelation. It is compiled and given up to God to come forth in the latter days of the world before the coming of the Lord Almighty for the second time. It is sealed up and given unto God to come forth through the hands of his servant in the last days and through the power and will of God it will be translated by his servant for all the world to behold its testimony of the Lord God Almighty even the very Jesus that will be born of the virgin pure.
This record is taken from the historical records of my people and I have compiled them onto twenty four sacred plates so that the world will know that we were worshipers of the Almighty God. Let no man condemn the words that are written upon this record for if there are faults or errors upon this record then they are of my making and not of Gods. For God is the Almighty One of Heaven and all things under him are perfect and pure
http://thelatterdaychurchofchrist.blogspot.com/2007/08/it-seems-that-not-every-body.html Quote:It seems that not every body understands what the Book of Jeraneck is or what it is about. It seems that some people think that it is a rehash of the Book of Mormon only set in Britain, or a substitute fro the Bible or Book of Mormon. So for this week we are going to try to let everyone now what the Book of Jeraneck is about and what makes it different from the Book of Mormon, note we say different not better than. The Latter day Church of Jesus Christ holds the Book of Mormon and the Bible as a sacred books of scripture.
The Book of Jeraneck is a further witness of Jesus Christ. It is a history of a people who fled the destruction of the tower of Babel. Now the tower of babel is mentioned in the Bible briefly in genesis Chapter 11 it was tower build to reach the heavens. we suppose and of course this only a guess that the tower of babel was somewhere in the region of modern day Iraq so that would be Persia or Babylon . The towers destruction is not mentioned in Genesis but it is mentioned here in the Book of Jeraneck and also in the Book of Ether in the book of Mormon. To answer the critics who say that this record has not one single old testament reference we say look a little closer. But firstly this is a record not kept by Jews they make no reference to old testament prophets because ultimately they are not Jews don’t forget the Bible was only formed in to the bible as we have it years after the life and death of Jesus Christ. We don’t even know how complete the Bible is. The other thing that has been asked is why do we not here mention of Christ visiting the people in Britain. This is simple relay they were warned that if they did not remain faithful that privilege would be taken form them and that they would not get to witness that event, however remember that this history took place years before he was even born. The Jaredite history in the book of Mormon could be asked the same thing. If the people of light had been faithful who knows maybe they would have seen the Christ walk among them, we still don’t know that he didn’t, because we don’t yet have all the record of this people given to us only a part. The people in the Book of Jeraneck are not Jewish and therefore as the Bible is a Jewish record we find few examples of the people in the Book of Jeraneck using names from the old Testament. The people in the Book of Jeraneck were commanded by God to journey from the vicinity surrounding the tower of Babel to a new land that was promised them by God.
After many years of wondering in the wilderness and after a group of them broke of from the main group and went their own way the main group that kept Gods law came to what is today known a Carnac in France. There they stayed many years and after a time were commanded to build ships and sail to the land that they had been promised.
When the people arrived in Great Britain they set about building buildings and temples and homes. They built a temple at the place they call the Plains of Shainnon which is modern day Salisbury plain and Stonehenge. The temple was destroyed eventually because of the people s wickedness. The people in the Book of Jeraneck were led to Great Britain and they recorded there history on many records. The final Prophet who was called Jeraneck made it his life’s work to compile a history on to one records of the people, so he took the meat of the history of his people and laid it down on 24 plates he called the plates of Jeraneck. Just before Jeraneck takes up the sword in defence of those who remain with him he gives the record to God for safe keeping until the time comes when his son who had gone in to hiding is ready to bring them forth again to the lords servant. We know that Jeraneck’s son delivered that record to us.
The Book of Jeraneck stands as a witness of Jesus Christ, not in the fact that he came to the people in the flesh and lived among them but in the fact that he spoke to them and that he directed their lives and that the people loved him and followed his council, this stands as a testimony that god speaks to all his children not just a select few. We The Latter Day Church of Jesus Christ believe that there are lots and lots of records that testify of people all over the world that lived by gods law and spoke with him, and we wait for that day with eager anticipation when we shall have them and be able to read them. However if there remain people in opposition to this then there fruits shall be lost to them. Those people have become like the persecutors of Joseph Smith Jr who said that the Book of Mormon could not be a book of scripture because they already had a Bible and what need for they to have another one, in short they missed the point and therefore the opportunity to better understand God. We are saying the same here, the Book of Jeraneck testifies that Christ lives and that he loves us and that there were once other people that worshipped him and called him master and lord. I believe that the Book of Jeraneck is a wonderful example of how when people forget God they forget who they are and with that comes the end.
My wish is that all those that now ridicule this book and its message and who slate it will one day remember who they are and what God promised in the Doctrine and Covenants is now coming forth that he would indeed give his people more records of the children of God that testify that he is the one true Lord of us all. I ask that you read the Book for yourselves and put to the test what Jeraneck asks near the end of the book, read it with an open mind not a closed one. Christ can not enter a closed door we must be willing to let him in.
Parodies are really not that hard to pull off. You have a model to follow for framework, style and subject. Basically all you have to do is change the names a bit and try not to make it too silly. It’s not necessary to be very educated to pull it off, just clever and willing. Being inspiring is actually pretty easy. You just have to say or write the words with a straight face. It’s not even necessary to believe them. GB Smith, if I’m reading you right, you’re the second person I’ve heard on the net saying that it’s all a parody. It’s not!!! 😯 Quote:Being inspiring is actually pretty easy. You just have to say or write the words with a straight face. It’s not even necessary to believe them.
Have to say the Book of Jeraneck doesn’t do that for me… although the Diamond Sutra does.
SamBee wrote:GB Smith, if I’m reading you right, you’re the second person I’ve heard on the net saying that it’s all a parody. It’s not!!! .
Oh dear. Where’s the thorazine when we need it.
The Jeraneck business, and the Latter Day Church of Jesus Christ [sic] seem to garner two reactions – 1) It’s parody.
2) This is so similar to the Joseph Smith story that it means that JS was at it too.
My problem with no 2 is that even if we consider JS a fraud, then he was still quite an amazing man for a number of reasons, which Mr Gill isn’t. The Book of Jeraneck also is very poorly written, and plagiarized (I know these are criticisms leveled at the BoM, but in this case, it’s certainly true.) The Book of Jeraneck even lifts an element from
The Return of the King(the last Lord of the Rings film), in having a flaming battering ram in it. Also, if you think the names in the BoM are formulaic (and there is a pattern in them), there’s far less variety in the Jeraneck narrative – amongst the characters you’ll come across are Araneck, Hadjaneck, not to mention Rimdon and Limdon. Oh, and a pagan god of war called Odinon (someone’s been reading their Norse mythology) There actually have been a few LDS schisms/sects that have originated outside the USA. There was a break-off Strangite church in France some years ago, even said to have a temple. Other groups have rooted in Mexico, Canada, the West Indies and Polynesia. Mostly these have been tiny groups (except Mexico – polygamist). I wouldn’t be surprised if Africa hasn’t had a few separate churches as well. My oldest son, on his mission to the French West Indies, actually got to know the prophet of a group in St. Martin. In America, Utah and California take the honors for breeding “apostate” churches. Ever hear of the Perfected Church of Jesus Christ of Immaculate Latter-day Saints? I deliberately omitted to mention the other two main NAm countries, Mexico and Canada, as I suspected that they would have some kind of sects. I’m sure one lot of Mormons wanted to settle in British Columbia, if I remember rightly. The USA is obviously going to take the lead, simply because Mormonism has the longest presence there, and has a considerable, or notable following in some regions (e.g. the Rocky Mountains)
I’m surprised to hear of one in France, now that’s unusual. Most European Catholic countries have not taken well to Mormonism, AFAIK. To compare two Celtic countries, Wales with its non-conformist tradition had a very high conversion rate early on. But Ireland, at least the southern part, has surprisingly low penetration. Maybe because those parts are majority RC.
Polynesia, not so much so much of a surprise, because of the sheer numbers of Mormons there.
The “Windies” are a surprise to me, because Mormonism hasn’t traditionally been that popular in most majority black nations. (I think we know why, sadly) I know that the Nigerian LDS more or less functioned as an independent body until comparatively recently (this is mentioned in one of the podcasts on this very site), because of the P-ban as well.
Going back to Mr Gill, and his Book of Jeraneck, I’m amazed at his broad definition of “persecution”. Basically this comprises some nasty emails, possibly angry reactions from members of his old church in Derby, England. That’s really chickenfeed compared to being murdered, having your house burnt down, or being tarred and feathered.
Interesting stuff Sam. As I read it and the comments in the blogs, I found myself thinking, “this is just what folks were saying about JS and BoM 180 years ago. Makes you wonder – if/when we do get further “historical” scripture, where will it come from? From scholars and from the established church authorities. Yes? Surely god would never do something as absurd as work through an obscure, uneducated 12 year old boy.
😈 That’s the conundrum. However, I think it is pretty poor compared to the Book of Mormon. The BoM is a feat, in terms of sheer length, some of its theology, and the sheer number of characters in it. However, the Book of Jeraneck is something I could have written if I’d taken enough time over it. And Mr Gill has had the benefit of a modern education, the internet and Hollywood to help him… http://www.marvelousworkandawonder.com/tsp/index.htm “The Final Testament of Jesus Christ”
Kind of creepy. Interesting read, but creepy. cwald wrote:Kind of creepy. Interesting read, but creepy.
Just interested why you thought so. The general feel of it?
SamBee wrote:cwald wrote:Kind of creepy. Interesting read, but creepy.
Just interested why you thought so. The general feel of it?
Because what if it’s true?
I don’t believe BUT, I’m not casting any stones at it either. I don’t think ANY LDS member should automatically dismiss these claims out of hand??? After all – it’s how we got our start.
I haven’t gotten a chance to check out all of these links posted here. I will say this however, there are many, many atrange things in this world that we cannot always explain. Archaeology has yet to uncover many regions of the earth and historians have always told us that Christopher and Amerigo did most of the exploring. We all know even in the mainstream historians know that America wasn’t unknown to much of the world, even long before the fifteenth century. It is perfectly plausible and in my opinion likely that the ancients were capable and did travel world wide. Look at some of the ruins in South America. The Olmec’s are a good and solid example of what looks to be a ‘mixed’ culture. Certainly by much of the stonework indicates that there were several races living together in thier society. Furthermore there are numerous submerged formations that could indicate lost civilizations all over the world.
I’m not going to form an opinion on this so-called Book of Janereck, but I don’t completely discount discoveries of ancient records outright just because they aren’t mainstream.
The Book of Jeraneck is almost certainly not true. As for the “Sealed Portion” extracts, I haven’t read a lot of them, but they’re written much more convincingly.
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