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I think that de-emphasizing the ‘worthiness’ aspect of the WoW is a good idea. ‘Worthiness’, unfortunaltely, is so closely tied to ‘cleanliness’ and ‘goodness’ in our culture, that they are for all intents synonymous. I prefer to think of things like the WoW as qualifications for participating in certain church activities … the rules by which this game is played. In other words, drinking coffee doesn’t make me a bad person, but it would keep me from getting a TR, and I think it would be wrong to try to get around that and make up my own rules for the game. If I want to participate, I need to play by ‘their’ rules. If I don’t want to, I don’t have to. My personal worth has nothing to do with it. cwald wrote:Sure, anything in large amounts is not healthy, such as coffee, but is there really ANY good reason to FORBID a teenager from the occasional cup of coffee or tea?
Good luck with the forbid part. Coffee and tea may have been a health issue once to some people but I don’t think most folks see it that way any more. It’s like Doug said, just one of the rules of the game. For me it means that I can get a TR and bless my new grandson, something that’s very important since I’m estranged from 2 of my daughters and have little contact with my son. It’s just not important enough for me to make a stand over. It’s also what an elderly acquaintance calls a “convenient sin”. He’s not a believer but likes to participate at a certain level and drinking coffee allows him to make a statement about his level of belief and commitment but not be bothered by people trying to get him to do stuff he doesn’t care about.
But for kids it can be a whole other story. The choices they make can be based on just a matter of what they want to do at the moment but at the same time haven’t thought through. And it can mean no personal progress awards, temple baptism trips, priesthood ordinations, seminary graduation, ecclesiastical endorsements or being able to attend church schools. Worst of all you could end up a “project”.
It’s not a sin by any stretch and I don’t think kids feel all that much shame or guilt about it, but what you’re saying when you drink coffee or tea is usually something along the lines of “I don’t believe and what you’re telling me doesn’t matter.” Leaders have a tough time with that and then come the consequences. Like I said, it makes me uneasy.
Quote:is there really ANY good reason to FORBID a teenager from the occasional cup of coffee or tea?
Epilepsy?
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=coffee+epilepsy Tom Haws wrote:wmgoethe wrote:I’m a online college student and I only drink one to two pots a day.
😯 You are joking. Right?
it all depends on the how much sleep I got the night before and how much work I have to do.:thumbup: my mug that I use for almost anything that I drink is 20 oz and I usualy have two of those in the morning then I’m ready for what ever the day has for me. Oh yea and if any of you have ever been in the service then you’ll understand what I mean when I say my coffee could pass for the marines heck I learned how to make my coffee from a retired marine cook when I was in job corp man that stuff just the smell of it and it pretty much dousn’t matter how tired you were you were ready to go to work after two six ounze cups you were ready for anything just name it. befor my coffee:yawn: after my coffee😯 :crazy: :thumbup:
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