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I think it would be against the purpose of this site to spill out blacks in the priesthood pros and cons. There are obviously very strong feelings here that the 1978 announcement was a “straightening out” of something that was incorrect. I disagree, of course, but don’t see anything constructive that would come from debating it.
This is a topic that I just shouldn’t engage in as there is nothing positive that would come from stating my views that I can see.
I’ll just respectfully leave it alone and agree to disagree on this one.
That’s fine. I really do not want to debate but would like to see the scriptural justification by the fundamentalists. Bruce, if you are aware of any sites that lay out the doctrine from the scriptures would you PM it to me? Thanks. FWIW, I know this is not the place to debate this issue. I would however like to find ways to present a scripturally sound argument against it so that somehow the church can change it. I hope I didn’t sound like a jerk. I’m not sure if that makes sense. I want to find a way to change this so that my kids don’t hear false information about people of other races in Sunday School and Seminary.
But maybe I’m being overly optimistic.
Just Me, I recently read the new biography of President Kimball, and it devotes an entire chapter to dealing with this issue (in the lead up to the 1978 revelation). Off the top of my head I think it agrees with most of the points you make in your initial post. I got the impression that President Kimball prayed as much for the softening of the other Apostles/GA’s hearts that they would accept the change as he did for confirmation that it was time to lift the ban. He worried and agonized over causing a split in the church with the action. His biggest concern was unity in the change – and his efforts paid off.
Keep in mind that a big ship turns slowly. From what I’ve seen I think we’re coming closer to the official position of “we don’t know why the ban was in place exactly – but it is not justified by scripture or revelation.” I know those passages in the seminary manual are unfortunate, I would expect them to change in the foreseeable future.
So I don’t see any problem at all of expressing the view in church that “
we don’t know for sure why the ban was in place(don’t understand all the circumstances that led BY to implement it) but it doesn’t appear to have initiated from any modern revelation(that we can point to).” True, some members may get excited at that comment – but I think there are enough quotes from modern leaders to back it up. My bishop, for one would support this statement. He feels our doctrine is best described by 2 Nephi 26:33 – “…the Lord …inviteth all …and denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free…”
The ship is turning – even though it may be hard to see.
justme, read the following post on Keepapitchinin, Ardis Parshall’s AMAZING Mormon history blog: Mormon Teachings on Race Relations, 1935 (
http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/04/24/mormon-teachings-on-race-relations-1935/ It will blow your mind and give you a WONDERFUL way to talk of the issue – all from a Sunday School lesson.
That’s too funny Ray… “Ardis” is fully convinced that I’m some sort of anti-Christ.
I tried to converse with Ardis civally and received a bunch of “apostate” rhetoric.
I still have it and will supply it if “Ardis” were to deny it.
He/she is rude and would do well to back off the narcissism.
“Ardis” tries to come off as an historian but ends up with an agenda.
I wanted to leave this thread alone but you mentioned the “A” word.
Sorry, but the Ardis-worshipping crowd could do well to become a bit more open-minded IMHO.
Bruce, personal issues aside, the blog has some truly amazing content – which is what I admire most about it. “Prickly” or “impatient” might be decent descriptions, but Ardis really is a very good person. She just doesn’t like fundamentalism even just a tiny bit – and shy she isn’t. 
Back to our regularly scheduled programming. *grin*
just me wrote:I want to find a way to change this so that my kids don’t hear false information about people of other races in Sunday School and Seminary.
I don’t think we can realistically prevent this anywhere (not targeting the Church specifically). There are some people out there that just want to think that way. We as parents have FAR more influence on our children by our words, and even more by our actions, than any teacher in a class or from an ignorant friend/acquaintance of theirs. It is very hard for people to “indoctrinate” our children with a few comments when we have open and honest discussions with them. They see it for what it is. That has been my experience at least.
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