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I know I wouldn’t feel comfortable having large group meetings these days. Very few people have had their second or third booster vaccination for one thing and the effectiveness diminishes over a period of months. I suspect a lot of folks think that one shot is sufficient and are getting lax about safety. Limhah wrote:
I know I wouldn’t feel comfortable having large group meetings these days. Very few people have had their second or third booster vaccination for one thing and the effectiveness diminishes over a period of months. I suspect a lot of folks think that one shot is sufficient and are getting lax about safety.
Israel is forcing people to have the third one and is talking of a fourth. This is way out of hand. We know Covid is nasty but does its low death rate justify six monthly injections for everyone indefinitely? There is something very very wrong with this whole thing. In many places people are being admitted who have had two of the jabs. It makes me wonder what the point of destroying everything for ineffective (and sometimes dangerous) vaccines is. But we’re not allowed to discuss this on social media.
SamBee wrote:
Limhah wrote:
I know I wouldn’t feel comfortable having large group meetings these days. Very few people have had their second or third booster vaccination for one thing and the effectiveness diminishes over a period of months. I suspect a lot of folks think that one shot is sufficient and are getting lax about safety.
Israel is forcing people to have the third one and is talking of a fourth. This is way out of hand. We know Covid is nasty but does its low death rate justify six monthly injections for everyone indefinitely? There is something very very wrong with this whole thing. In many places people are being admitted who have had two of the jabs. It makes me wonder what the point of destroying everything for ineffective (and sometimes dangerous) vaccines is. But we’re not allowed to discuss this on social media.
I don’t think it’s any different than the annual flu vaccine that some workers (especially in healthcare) are required to get. I had the flu (the real flu, not the excuse for taking a day off flu) when I was 34 years old. I was out of work for two weeks, most of that in bed and when I returned to work (it was a new job) I was probably not more than 50% recovered. I truly remember wishing I would just die and get it over with. Ever since then I have chosen to get the flu shot. Yes, I did once get the flu (tested/diagnosed) even though I had been vaccinated – but it was way milder and on a long weekend and I missed no work (cleared by the doctor). I am vaccinated for COVID, first shot in February. Like the flu shot I am willing to get the third shot and even do it annually if necessary (COVID, flu and the common cold are variants of the same virus). My workplace requires vaccination or weekly testing. They also require annual TB testing, and that I have the other vaccines that most of us in the US get as children (mumps, measles rubella, polio, smallpox, etc.). Although not required I did have the shingles vaccine because I did have chickenpox as a child (I also had measles and mumps prior to those vaccines). Finally, in my current state of mind I would not necessarily get vaccinated because the prophet said so – but I might and I definitely would have pre-faith crisis (but then again I was vaccinated before the prophet said so).
The reason this can’t be “discussed” on social media is because abundant misinformation, incorrect information, and outright untruths are out there perpetuating the spread of the COVID virus. I don’t believe we want this forum to be the source or continuation of such misinformation, incorrect information or outright untruths either.
Minyan Man wrote:
Here we go:https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/first-presidency-message-covid-19-august-2021
I am thankful that our church leadership continues to recommend such steps.
DarkJedi wrote:Like the flu shot I am willing to get the third shot and even do it annually if necessary (COVID, flu and the common cold are variants of the same virus). My workplace requires vaccination or weekly testing.
IIRC, common cold is a rhinovirus rather than a coronavirus but I’m not a doctor
Given that even ‘vaccinated’ people can contract the virus and transmit it (though in smaller quantities than unvaccinated) it would be wise to require weekly testing of both vaccinated and unvaccinated people. Of course both groups should continue to mask up for the foreseeable future. Essentially, both unvaccinated and vaccinated should be taking all the same precautions as before the ‘vaccine’ was available.
I’ve heard from several friends already who are vaccinated and later tested positive.
Limhah wrote:
DarkJedi wrote:Like the flu shot I am willing to get the third shot and even do it annually if necessary (COVID, flu and the common cold are variants of the same virus). My workplace requires vaccination or weekly testing.
IIRC, common cold is a rhinovirus rather than a coronavirus but I’m not a doctor
Given that even ‘vaccinated’ people can contract the virus and transmit it (though in smaller quantities than unvaccinated) it would be wise to require weekly testing of both vaccinated and unvaccinated people. Of course both groups should continue to mask up for the foreseeable future. Essentially, both unvaccinated and vaccinated should be taking all the same precautions as before the ‘vaccine’ was available.
I’ve heard from several friends already who are vaccinated and later tested positive.
I agree that vaccinated people may be positive and asymptomatic spreaders of COVID and I would not be opposed to testing although currently only unvaccinated and symptomatic people are subject to testing at my workplace.
And I will offer a correction to the above post about COVID19, influenza and the common cold all being the same virus. Influenza is a different virus altogether but has similar symptoms to COVID19. The common cold can be caused by a variant of the coronavirus but may also be caused by other viruses. COVID19 is a specific coronavirus.
Interesting news article from the Salt Lake Tribune: https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/09/10/lds-church-wont-help/ ” class=”bbcode_url”> https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/09/10/lds-church-wont-help/ Quote:Latter-day Saint leaders in California have been told not to sign “religious exemption” forms for anti-vax members who want to dodge vaccination mandates by citing their faith.
The issue has arisen in that state because it now requires vaccines for health care workers, teachers and others.
Some members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have asked their lay bishops to support their applications to receive religious waivers from their employers.
“No church official can sign any kind of document supporting the notion that church doctrine/teaching is opposed to vaccination or that the church is opposed to vaccination mandates,” reads a letter sent to all bishops and stake (regional) presidents from the faith’s Area Presidency. “As to the former, the opposite is true [the church not only supports but also encourages vaccination]; as to the latter, the Brethren [top officials] have not taken a position.”
Right, I had seen that news. I understand that some have tried to make the case that our religion’s emphasis on “agency” would qualify as a religious exemption. As I understand the doctrine of agency, it has always been that we are free to choose an action but we are not free to choose the consequence of that action.
I speculate that Jehovah’s Witnesses would have an easier time in the religious exemption department given their history or refusing lifesaving medical treatments (blood transfusions) and refusing civic, government, and military involvement (I understand they they do not run for office or vote in elections. They are also “conscientious objectors” and do not join the military). From a quick internet search, it appears that the Witnesses had taken a stance against vaccination in the past but since 1952 have made it an “individual decision.” Still, I think a member of their church would have an easier time than a member of our church trying to make the case for a religious exemption.
People in my ward are taking adverse reactions on a regular basis. It’s not even uncommon and it’s not antivaxxers I’m hearing this off. This isn’t a flu vaccine – a flu vaccine doesn’t make you feel sick for two weeks after you’ve had it. I recently heard the Patriarch’s wife talking about this with another elderly member about how both of them were kept awake in pain all night after having theirs. Both of them seemed to take the line their choice was regrettable but necessary. Guys – that is not normal. I have had flu shots – they don’t do that to you, or extremely rarely. But we’re not supposed to talk about this, and the media won’t cover it. They’ve given minimal coverage to heart and stroke problems arising shortly after people having it.
DarkJedi wrote:
The reason this can’t be “discussed” on social media is because abundant misinformation, incorrect information, and outright untruths are out there perpetuating the spread of the COVID virus. I don’t believe we want this forum to be the source or continuation of such misinformation, incorrect information or outright untruths either.
No, it is blatant and obvious censorship by social media. I’ve had Facebook delete content from the New England Journal of Medicine and the British Medical Journal. Neither of these can be deemed “misinformation” . YouTube also deleted a link to an Israeli Ministry of Health page discussing issues. Since Israel was one of the earliest nations to implement them, it woukd spot such issues earlier than others.
We’re not talking Alex Jones level stuff here, but medical journals and government websites. If we can’t discuss things from legitimate sources, we are in very deep trouble indeed.
“Misinformation” nowadays seems to refer to anything that disagrees with the official line.
SamBee wrote:
DarkJedi wrote:
The reason this can’t be “discussed” on social media is because abundant misinformation, incorrect information, and outright untruths are out there perpetuating the spread of the COVID virus. I don’t believe we want this forum to be the source or continuation of such misinformation, incorrect information or outright untruths either.
No, it is blatant and obvious censorship by social media. I’ve had Facebook delete content from the New England Journal of Medicine and the British Medical Journal. Neither of these can be deemed “misinformation” . YouTube also deleted a link to an Israeli Ministry of Health page discussing issues. Since Israel was one of the earliest nations to implement them, it woukd spot such issues earlier than others.
We’re not talking Alex Jones level stuff here, but medical journals and government websites. If we can’t discuss things from legitimate sources, we are in very deep trouble indeed.
“Misinformation” nowadays seems to refer to anything that disagrees with the official line.
They can indeed be misinformation when taken out of context or when only partial quotes or partial data are used. That happens with many topics, not just COVID. And there are many places other than Facebook, Youtube or Twitter where people are perfectly free to talk about whatever lies they want. (I think Bill Gates’ microchip is only supposed to track your location, I don’t think it records speech – but your phone knows where you even when location is turned off). Also just a point about censorship – censoring can only be done by the government. Private entities (such as Meta and this site) can allow or disallow whatever they like. I don’t think anyone can argue that Meta and the US government are in bed with each other – there’s clear animosity there on both sides.
The word “misinformation” is being peddled around my part of the world as anything which does not agree with our government. That is against the principles of both science and democracy. There are multiple problems just now. We’re being banned from linking to medical journals, not just the lunatic fringe. In my part of the world, and most others, there is no liability on getting this, meaning I cannot sue if something goes wrong. That is damning in itself. Yet I am extremely high risk to any heart or blood related side effects, my parents and other relatives have had them. AstraZeneca/Oxford which I would have been made to get (we don’t get a choice) was banned from a number of countries over this issue.
There are also multiple other issues like animal testing for vegans, the fact that double vax’d people are catching Covid in droves (several in our ward in hospital recently) and the totalitarian methods being used such as censorship of the media… not to mention compulsory ID being introduced across the globe to track your every movement, and punishment of those who don’t get them.
I feel like our governments and the church is effectively stomping on my face. It’s a disgrace, and may God forgive them. I doubt I am going to make it to the end of this decade with what is going on.
Let’s give this topic a rest. It is certainly a hot button issue – particularly now with government mandates etc. I think it helps to give charity to everyone – believing that they are doing the best that they can and are making their decisions based on what they think will be best for the people that they represent.
Roy wrote:
Let’s give this topic a rest. It is certainly a hot button issue – particularly now with government mandates etc.I think it helps to give charity to everyone – believing that they are doing the best that they can and are making their decisions based on what they think will be best for the people that they represent.
Agreed!
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