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I can’t even begin to tell all of you how helpful this thread has been for me. Thank you. Head Above Water wrote:I can’t even begin to tell all of you how helpful this thread has been for me. Thank you.
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Many of them are hidden gems and buried away. Thankfully most of them have been used (in full or part) in Church talks/articles.
Like Ray often says. Even the most devout member hears and adopts what he/she wants to and what fits their paradigm.
I opened a new thread for this in ‘Spirituality’ I appreciate the trust in the youth to let them answer for themselves and the positive view on being able to change and forget the past:
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You can set standards that will help you stay pure.(Quoting Richard G. Scott), “Firmly establish personal standards… Decide what you will do and what you will not do to express feelings.”
Pray and ask Heavenly Father about the standards you have set for yourself.
Don’t let what happened in the past define your future. If you have strayed from the path, you can return.
https://www.lds.org/youth/video/chastity-what-are-the-limits?lang=eng Interesting post-war conference talk (1946). Thought it might be useful for any of you living among the ‘Jar heads’ Quote:
…As the crowning savagery of the (Second world) war, we Americans wiped out hundreds of thousands of civilian population with the atom bomb in Japan, few if any of the ordinary civilians being any more responsible for the war than were we… Military men are now saying that the atom bomb was a mistake. It was more than that: it was a world tragedy… And the worst of this atomic bomb tragedy is not that not only did the people of the United States not rise up in protest against this savagery, not only did it not shock us to read of this wholesale destruction of men, women, and children, and cripples, but that it actually drew from the nation at large a general approval of this fiendish butchery.…
Thus we in America are now deliberately searching out and developing the most savage, murderous means of exterminating peoples that Satan can plant in our minds. We do it not only shamelessly, but with a boast. God will not forgive us for this.
If we are to avoid extermination, if the world is not to be wiped out, we must find some way to curb the fiendish ingenuity of men who have apparently no fear of God, man, or the devil, and who are willing to plot and plan and invent instrumentalities that will wipe out all the flesh of the earth. And, as one American citizen of one hundred thirty millions, as one in one billion population of the world, I protest with all of the energy I possess against this fiendish activity, and as an American citizen, I call upon our government and its agencies to see that these unholy experimentations are stopped, and that somehow we get into the minds of our war-minded general staff and its satellites, and into the general staffs of all the world, a proper respect for human life.
May God give us the strength to stand in these times of stress and trial and crisis. May he give us the wisdom and the inspiration to put hate out of our hearts, a hate that is consuming us. May he give us the power as a people so to bring our influence to bear that men, mankind, may be saved.
President J. Reuben Clark, Jr.
First Counselor in the First Presidency, Conference Report, October 1946, pp. 84-89
This is a good one that shows the sisters in the church should not simply accept every whim and word of the brethren. During the formation of the Relief Society they were choosing a name. The women wanted Relief Society, Elder John Taylor, supported by Joseph Smith preferred Benevolent Society. A debate was proposed. Here’s the tail end of it:
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Eliza R. Snow arose and said that she felt to concur with the President (Emma), with regard to the word Benevolent, that many Societies with which it had been associated, were corrupt,— that the popular Institutions of the day should not be our guide — that as daughters of Zion, we should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which had been heretofore pursued— one objection to the word Relief, is that the idea associated with it is that of some great calamity— that we intend appropriating on some extraordinary occasions instead of meeting the common occurrences—Prest. Emma Smith remark’d— we are going to do something extraordinary— when a boat is stuck on the rapids with a multitude of Mormons on board we shall consider that a loud call for relief— we expect extraordinary occasions and pressing calls—
Elder Taylor arose and said— I shall have to concede the point— your arguments are so potent I cannot stand before them— I shall have to give way—
Prest. J(oseph). S(mith). said I also shall have to concede the point, all I shall have to give to the poor, I shall give to this Society—
http://josephsmithpapers.org/paperSummary/nauvoo-relief-society-minute-book?p=9 Also a hint at the end from the Prophet that the welfare program would be better administered by the RS.
This is another old conference talk hidden in the archives. General Conference, April 9, 1932 by Stephen L. Richards
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“I have said these things because I fear dictatorial dogmatism, rigidity of procedure and intolerance even more than I fear cigarettes, cards, and other devices the adversary may use to nullify faith and kill religion. Fanaticism and bigotry have been the deadly enemies of true religion in the long past. They have made it forbidding, shut it up in cold grey walls of monastery and nunnery, out of the sunlight and fragrance of the growing world. They have garbed it in black and then in white, when in truth it is neither black nor white, any more than life is black or white, for religion is life abundant, glowing life, with all its shades, colors and hues, as the children of men reflect in the patterns of their lives the radiance of the Holy Spirit in varying degrees.I pray that men may understand God and the Church, and I pray that the Church may understand men and human nature. With such understandings there must come sympathy and love. Truth and love will save the world.”
https://www.sunstonemagazine.com/pdf/015-43-46.pdf There’s a live thread for it here (from 2010):
http://forum.staylds.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1375&start=0 I’ll discuss it further on the other thread as I do find it best to keep this thread just on the topic of the quotes.
That 1946 quote is incredible. SamBee wrote:That 1946 quote is incredible.
I am somewhat ambivalent about the quote. My father worked on the Manhattan Project, and while the bomb certainly was beyond all imagination in terms of its power for evil, I am not sure that I share J Reuben Clark’s sentiment that it was a mistake or a tragedy, or that satan planted it in the minds of the Americans who created it. It was certainly uniquely destructive, and the result of the fear of its use has been a ‘cold peace’ where mutually assured destruction contained many conflicts in the past sixty years.I find it interesting that when the MX project was targeted for deployment in Utah, SWK voiced opposition and the project was halted. The church thus has had a very strange relationship with the bomb, imo.
Gentle reminder to start a new thread for discussing the quotes if possible please to keep the thread on topic. I’d happily discuss this one so I’ve started one here:
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“We should gather all the good and true principles in the world and treasure them up, or we shall not come out true Mormons.”
(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 316.)
http://www.lds.org/church/news/print/viewpoint-embrace-honor-and-carry-forth-truth?lang=eng Quote:
I want to say to my friends that we believe in all good. If you can find a truth in heaven, earth or hell, it belongs to our doctrine. We believe it; it is ours; we claim it…[The gospel] embraces all morality, all virtue, all light, all intelligence, all greatness, and all goodness.
Brigham Young
Available in Teachings of the Presidents:Brigham Young (Chapter 2)
http://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-brigham-young/chapter-2?lang=eng Quote:One of the grand fundamental principles of Mormonism is to receive truth, let it come from where it may.
Joseph Smith, History of the Church, 5:499.
Quote:…study and learn, and become acquainted with all good books, and with languages, tongues, and people.
D&C 90:15
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“In these respects we differ from the Christian world, for our religion will not clash with or contradict the facts of science in any particular.”
REMARKS BY PRESIDENT BRIGHAM YOUNG DELIVERED IN THE TABERNACLE, SALT LAKE CITY, MAY 14, 1871 (Reported by David W. Evans.)
Quote:How gladly would we understand every principle pertaining to science and art, and become thoroughly acquainted with every intricate operation of nature, and with all the chemical changes that are constantly going on around us! How delightful this would be, and what a boundless field of truth and power is open for us to explore! We are only just approaching the shores of the vast ocean of information that pertains to this physical world, to say nothing of that which pertains to the heavens, to angels and celestial beings, to the place of their habitation, to the manner of their life, and their progress to still higher degrees of perfection.
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