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Old-Timer wrote:
Our HPG lesson on Sunday focused on distinguishing between principles, organizations, program, policies and procedures. It was an excellent discussion.
The problem occurs when people can’t distinguish between those things – and others, like doctrine, practice, culture, personal inspiration, etc.
Do you happen to have any outline? I have to teach in about 2 weeks and I am thinking about this as a topic.Fantastic quote Dark Jedi. From one of my favorite leaders no less. Jorsen wrote:Fantastic quote Dark Jedi. From one of my favorite leaders no less.
It’s actually from a great talk:
https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2009/10/the-love-of-god?lang=eng ” class=”bbcode_url”> https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2009/10/the-love-of-god?lang=eng Uchtdorf is hands down my favorite GA.
Mrs SuperChicken, said: Quote:DH suggested I email the sister that was so adamant and just ask for the reference to the general conference talk where this was cited.
I like his idea. You can do it without being mean or vindictive. It would be interesting to see if she has a
reference. I bet it’s no.
Jorsen wrote:Fantastic quote Dark Jedi. From one of my favorite leaders no less.
It’s one of my favorite quotes as well…I even stretch it to apply to things in the church that Pres Uchtdorf likely never intended…but it works for me. Makes me wonder how many things we thought were “doctrine” or revelations from God, were really developments over time by well-intentioned good people…but in time have lost the gospel principle because of the need for church members to be literally exact in thought.The irony of the discussion I mentioned in my last comment is that it came from a talk by . . . drum roll . . . wait for it . . . Elder Packer
I can’t find the exact talk right now, but I will try to remember to look more. However, from a talk in 1990:
Quote:Meetings and activities can multiply until they take “strength unto themselves” at the expense of the gospel — of true worship.
Seriously, if we could eliminate many of his sex-issue-focused talks, I think many people would be astounded at much of what he has said over the years.
Quote:I believe that women will be punished for their own fashion faux pas and not for Eve’s totally last year’s fig leaves.
:lolno: That was a great one!
I don’t have any great suggestions other than you are the minority voice of reason, and speak your mind anyway. Of course do it in a tactful way, if you have the opportunity to teach or bear testimony, you’ve got the floor and can voice your opinion. Being humble and not vindictive as has been said will carry much farther.
The first thing that came to mind reading through this thread was that there were those that counted the steps to the temple in Jerusalem and then that became the standard for maximum steps taken on the Sabbath. Missing the mark 101.
Hugh Nibley wrote:The worst sinners, according to Jesus, are not the harlots and publicans, but the religious leaders with their insistence on proper dress and grooming, their careful observance of all the rules, their precious concern for status symbols, their strict legality, their pious patriotism… the haircut becomes the test of virtue in a world where Satan deceives and rules by appearances.
:angel: nibbler wrote:Hugh Nibley wrote:The worst sinners, according to Jesus, are not the harlots and publicans, but the religious leaders with their insistence on proper dress and grooming, their careful observance of all the rules, their precious concern for status symbols, their strict legality, their pious patriotism… the haircut becomes the test of virtue in a world where Satan deceives and rules by appearances.
:angel: +100 That’s a keeper
:thumbup: Hi Mrs. SuperChicken, Sorry, but when I read about your experience with this lesson, I seriously was laughing out loud. No wonder you entitled the post “utterly ridiculous”. In a morbid fascination kind of way, I wish I would have been there to experience it right with you! Then we could have just made quiet comments and laughed under our breath at the audacity of it all
😯 .Seriously though, I have found that when I hear crazy teachings come out of peoples’ mouths I just try to understand that they are coming from their own viewpoints. Sometimes I have used the old phrase we have heard mention people use here in lessons they also have a hard time with. The respectful phrase of “Well, that hasn’t been my experience. What I have seen is
”. My advice — taken from a book called “Winning with the Boss from Hell”…. F: Fly Under the Radar
I: Ignore (certain things)
R: Retrain (find ways of retraining people without alientating them)
S: Stand your Ground (only on issues that have widespread support and are clearly in need of change)
T: Talk Turkey (honest, open conversation when appropriate).
I like the acronym, and it has brought me peace in my work where there is a terrible boss leading us right now. Everyone is suffering. But it has minimized the damage on me personally. I’ve been living off F and I for the last two years now, and never had to get to R, S, or T!
I realized that I tend to interact with the church on these terms too. I think the answer to how to respond to the Fashionistas could lie in that acronym…FIRST.
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