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If temple work for for the dead the temples wouldn’t have to be so expensive. The dead presumably don’t care. Temples need to be beautiful to make young brides want to marry there. Ward temple night is a way for the local elite to show their righteousness. That’s my view. My lovely TBM wife soaks it all in and takes it literally. She leaves very happy which makes me very happy, so even though I’m skeptic its a net positive. I wish I understood the symbolism of temple clothing more. The apron.is the only thing really explained and there is literally no church sanctioned way to learn why the hat, robe, string, etc. I know for sure I’m not righteous enough now to get inspiration about the symbolism but even when I was I wanted so badly to know what’s with the clothing. I mean cant we just wear a white suit and have the same effect?
On a very separate and disrespectful note, the missionaries in my MTC district would rate the attractiveness of the female actresses. Blond or brunette.
Roadrunner wrote:…On a very separate and disrespectful note, the missionaries in my MTC district would rate the attractiveness of the female actresses. Blond or brunette.
Man, that is disrespectful.
🙂 I’m trying to decide how I feel about it.
Temple work is for the living and the dead. Whether it works literally is another matter. Regarding the clothing, the significance was explained to me. The entire thing – including genune footage – is online now. Inevitable.
cwald wrote:Roadrunner wrote:…On a very separate and disrespectful note, the missionaries in my MTC district would rate the attractiveness of the female actresses. Blond or brunette.
Man, that is disrespectful.
🙂 I’m trying to decide how I feel about it.
To the Blonde…cuz we all know the brunette wins
:problem: cwald wrote:johnh wrote:i don’t disrespect their views…but it is hard to live by them. I think if we wanted to shorten the temple experience lets get rid of all the masonic mumbo jumbo and stick with the story. The swapping clothing thing is just a big fat distraction and sucks what little meaning there is out of the endowment for me. I think if it was the general story and making some coveneants it would be faster and more would go.
Hmmm? I don’t know John. I was a pre-1990 temple change guy…and now that I don’t really “believe” in the temple, I find the masonry to be the most fascinating aspect of Mormonism. Had I been better educated in masonary rites, and informed and understood what it really was, and inoculated to all the symbolism…I think I would have liked it and appreciated it more.
Water under the bridge now.
i have always hated uniforms, costumes and getups. Ok…a good halloween costume is ok…especially on girls..
never liked scouting uniforms, never wnated to wear a police or any other uniform…don’t like suits the “uniform of the priesthood”.
So naturally the Temple dress doesn’t thrill me.
Side note: back before i had purchased my own clothing the dork at the clothing rental gave me a xsmall packet instead of the xxl.
Well…you don’t find out what size it is until the middle of the endowment…and CWALD…you have seen me…how well do think i fit in an XSmall getup.
My wife, my bro-inlaw and my sister were all there with me…3 of them were trying not to cry from laughing while I stood there looking llike a very red trussed up gorilla in a monkeys bakers costume.
😳 I bought my own clothes after that.
Johnh
That would have been quite the sight. Touche on the brunette.
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I might have paid to see that, johnh. It would have been worth at least a couple month’s tithing. 😮 I like what Ray said: Old-Timer wrote:I believe strongly the temple is meant to be for the living to internalize a connection to all humanity (to be sealed to everyone in spirit) and not primarily for the salvation of the dead. I find great meaning in the symbolism there, even though I don’t believe in any literal saving through the ordinances.
I also like a place of peace where I can let my mind roam without any distractions – and, having attended for almost 30 years, I include the play itself in that description most of the time.
I’m in the process of going to the temple (Nauvoo) for my parents. This is the first time I’ve submitted names for this work.
I’m looking forward to the experience mainly for me & my Wife. I would like us to stand in & actively participate. In the process, we would remember what it was like 40+ years ago when we did it for ourselves. It was a time of “innocents” when the children weren’t around yet, we were looking forward (not backwards), life was perfect & we loved all man-kind (& woman-kind). I want to renew some of that. If it helps my parents on the other side, even better.
Plus, I get to play with my grandkids who live in the area.
Mike wrote:Plus, I get to play with my grandkids who live in the area.
That would make a temple trip worth it.
I’ve nothing much more to add, but that I think the reason we go back for our dead one by one is to give a reason to go ourselves. I personally don’t think it’s as manipulative as control or tithes. The temple has been a place for me of tranquillity, enlightenment, forgiveness. I’m very appreciative of it. Re. Robes I once read a really interesting article on the symbolism of the ancient Hebrew (Levite?) Priesthood robes and their parallels to robes. No idea where it is now
Logically thinking out the probability and possibility of not only finding the names of everyone ever born, but also having the time to go through a 3 hour session for them, it becomes obvious God has a plan B. And I mean, we agreed not to do Jews anymore, so that kinda messes up the whole idea anyway. So honestly, I don’t know why we do it. It’s an excuse to go, I guess.
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So honestly, I don’t know why we do it. It’s an excuse to go, I guess.This +1
Brown wrote:So honestly, I don’t know why we do it. It’s an excuse to go, I guess.
We’ve got the buildings…we’ve got the clothes (that can’t really be worn anywhere else). What else would we do?:crazy: In all seriousness why wouldn’t we? I try to think of the harm that going to the temple does and I don’t see it. If all the temple is is a symbol of heaven and that we have to meet a certain standard to be there, then I think it’s adding value. People spend time preparing to go. They make sacrifices to go. And when they’re there, they have time away from the rigors of the world. I think the symbolism and reminder of our own spiritual journey is healthy. Even having some bar (even if I might make it completely different and personal, but that’s another thread), is healthy as a way of spurring us towards spiritual progress. Just some thoughts. Trying to be positive here. As I mentioned in another thread I’ll be going back in a bit for the first time since starting my faith crisis.
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