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February 27, 2017 at 5:41 pm #211207
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GuestJust wanted to share something that made me happy. I haven’t read the “Ensign” in a while but I opened the February issue and noticed that the Visiting Teaching message is right after the First Presidency Message (aka HT Message), instead of deeper inside the magazine like it used to be. Maybe that’s not something to get excited about, but if this is a regular thing now, it’s almost like we’re saying VT is as important as HT. February 27, 2017 at 10:23 pm #317487Anonymous
GuestI think it is deliberate. I see some small changes like this too…and maybe try not to get too excited for feeling like it is still too small a change…but I appreciate your example of reminding me that some progress to make things more even is better than no progress, even if I see lots more needed.
Our ward has done away with PEC. We meet as ward councils and include the sisters that lead the ward also. I see that as a deliberate change, and a good one.
Still a ways to go on many issues. But I like it.
February 27, 2017 at 10:36 pm #317488Anonymous
GuestI have a really hard time cobbling together a meal out of these crumbs. I like your optimism, though. March 1, 2017 at 3:11 pm #317489Anonymous
Guesthawkgrrrl wrote:I have a really hard time cobbling together a meal out of these crumbs. I like your optimism, though.
Haha! I know… I was thinking, “Baby steps…” And that maybe the Home Teaching message should be first in the magazine because Home Teachers teach the whole family whereas VTs “only” teach the women. But now I’m realizing I don’t know why women can’t also be home teachers. Hmm.March 1, 2017 at 4:06 pm #317490Anonymous
GuestIt’s small, but I see it as both sincere and positive. I do think the church is up against it here. To keep the baby steps analogy going, there’s only so far a baby can walk if it’s on one of those baby leashes. Or there’s only so far a growing boy/teen/man can walk if he’s tethered by a chain of sexist doctrine. There seems to be this fear – we can’t have women and men equal before God in the temple, because who knows what “they’d do” then! That’s right, who knows. Why do fearful people assume it’ll be bad? Maybe all these baby steps are nothing compared to the positive energy that would flow in this church if we dignified women in the temple.
March 1, 2017 at 4:24 pm #317491Anonymous
Guestsquarepeg wrote:But now I’m realizing I don’t know why women can’t also be home teachers. Hmm.
FWIW, married couples can be home teachers.
March 1, 2017 at 6:19 pm #317492Anonymous
GuestReuben wrote:FWIW, married couples can be home teachers.
Awesome, Reuben! News to me! Forget I posted anything…it seems irrelevant, now.
March 1, 2017 at 10:11 pm #317493Anonymous
GuestI also did not know that. I think perhaps what you mean is that a HT may take his wife to accompany him while he goes home teaching … or do you actually mean that his wife can be assigned as his HT companion?
March 1, 2017 at 10:24 pm #317494Anonymous
GuestRoy wrote:I also did not know that.
I think perhaps what you mean is that a HT may take his wife to accompany him while he goes home teaching … or do you actually mean that his wife can be assigned as his HT companion?
In our stake some men are sometimes assigned their wives as companions for a couple reasons. One is just the shortage of priesthood holders vs the sheer number of people to be home taught (especially in smaller branches) and another is because of male home teachers (usually high priests) assigned to single women. In some cases the woman is also the assigned visiting teacher (killing two birds with one stone). Sometimes it is a matter of concern for the safety of women assigned as visiting teachers as well. It has been this way for decades in our stake.
It has been known to happen that men also just bring their wives when their assigned companion is unable or otherwise unwilling to go.
March 2, 2017 at 12:24 pm #317495Anonymous
GuestReuben wrote:FWIW, married couples can be home teachers.
Here’s the official policy from handbook 2:
Quote:7.4.2 Organizing Home TeachingWith approval from the bishop in exceptional cases, Melchizedek Priesthood leaders and Relief Society leaders may assign a husband and wife as a companionship where visits by a couple are needed. Couples report these visits as home teaching and visiting teaching. Normally, young parents are not given such an assignment because it takes them away from their children.
I think there are some bishops that wouldn’t care one way or the other and other bishops where getting approval for a husband/wife companionship would be like pulling teeth. Leadership roulette. I think a couple desiring to be a VT/HT companionship would have to come prepared to argue their “exceptional [case]” or why they feel “visits by a couple are needed.”
In other words, while married couples
canbe home teachers it’s the exception to the rule and thus I wouldn’t bank on it… I mean, wouldn’t most members (without children in the home) prefer doing visits with their spouse? Plus it counts as both HT and VT? Two birds. Once that first couple got approval all the kids would want in on the action… so the default seems to be ‘no married couple companionship for you.’ Just how I think things would pan out. March 6, 2017 at 6:30 pm #317496Anonymous
GuestAnn wrote:
There seems to be this fear – we can’t have women and men equal before God in the temple, because who knows what “they’d do” then! That’s right, who knows. Why do fearful people assume it’ll be bad? Maybe all these baby steps are nothing compared to the positive energy that would flow in this church if we dignified women in the temple.Yes! Some things are worth the risk!
I like the baby leash analogy.
It seems the church should have no reason to fear what
couldhappen if we grant full equality to women, because if it goes badly, the church can just revoke it. That’s the lovely thing about Mormonism: we try weird stuff! If it works, we keep it! If it fails, we trash it! The Word of Wisdom seems to work so we keep it. The garments tying around wrists and ankles wasn’t working so we changed it. Having auxiliaries meet on Sunday rather than on weekdays is working so we keep it. Polygamy became a hindrance to attaining our broader goals so we scrapped it. Historically we’re not risk-averse. I wonder why the fear, now. I feel like fear also drives a lot of the Pharisaical rules we give the youth about sleeve length, dating behavior, etc., rather than teaching them correct principles and letting them govern themselves, with some individualized guidance. But that’s a topic for another day. -
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