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One for Halloween or at least part of it is. I don’t think I need to spell out some of the implications of this – especially the second one. Alien Abduction, Demonic Possession, and The Legend of The Vampire
Quote:I’m saying that there are invisible worlds and beings that populate them. Just because we can’t see them doesn’t mean they don’t exist… Every animal has a natural enemy. And so does mankind. It’s not disease or death, but terrible creatures that watch us all until we become weak. Then they hover around us like vultures picking at a corpse. When this happens, we become broken in spirit. That’s when people do terrible, unspeakable things. They commit suicide or kill others and just create misery for everyone. Often, the victims end up in mental institutions…One of those monsters lives inside of me… she only hurts me when I defy her. I try to stay on her good side. She’s very temperamental and has a terrible temper. The Lady doesn’t like religion, either. She doesn’t believe in God as I do. …the Lady doesn’t communicate directly with anyone but me. Some have seen her, and she’s left her voice on cassette tapes, but she’s never spoken directly to anyone but me. I can speak to her aloud or in my thought. She knows everything you and I are saying and thinking. When she speaks, she has a woman’s voice. When she’s angry the tone is deeper.
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/188497-John-A-Keel-has-Died Quote:“Ufology is just another name for demonology,” John Keel told me, a week before the September 11th attack on the World Trade Center, which occurred just a couple of miles from where he lives. [snip]
As Keel himself wrote, “I abandoned the extraterrestrial hypothesis in 1967 when my own field investigations disclosed an astonishing overlap between psychic phenomena and UFOs… The objects and apparitions do not necessarily originate on another planet and may not even exist as permanent constructions of matter. It is more likely that we see what we want to see and interpret such visions according to our contemporary beliefs.”
In UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse (1970), Keel argued that a non-human or spiritual intelligence source has staged whole events over a long period of time in order to propagate and reinforce certain erroneous belief systems (mirroring Vallée). Keel conjectured that ultimately all anomalies, such as fairies, 1897 mystery airships, 1930s phantom aeroplanes, mystery helicopters, creatures, poltergeists, balls of light, and UFOs, are a cover for the real phenomenon.[snip]
In Our Haunted Planet (1971), Keel coined the term “ultraterrestrials” to describe the UFO occupants. He discussed the seldom-considered possibility that the alien “visitors” to Earth are not visitors at all, but an advanced Earth civilization, which may or may not be human. Keel took no position on the ultimate purpose of the phenomenon other than that the UFO intelligence seems to have a long-standing interest in interacting with the human race.
UFO historian Jerome Clark wrote that Keel was “a radical theorist who believes that UFOs are ‘ultraterrestrial’ rather than extraterrrestrial. By that he means they are shape-changing phenomena from another order of existence.
These ultraterrestials are basically hostile to, or at least contemptuous of, human beings and manipulate them in various ways for example by staging ‘miracles’ which inspire unfounded religious beliefs. Ultraterrestrials and their minions may manifest as monsters, space people, ghosts and other paranormal entities.”(The UFO Encyclopedia, Volume 1: UFOs in the 1980s, page 148, NY: Agogee, 1990). Perfect addition to an already spooky night! One of the LDS concepts that have fallen into the category of uncertainty or disbelief for me is the idea of Satan and his followers. At a minimum I don’t buy the typical LDS concept that he is around every corner at the root of every temptation we experience. And if he is real – I would expect that some day the atonement would also apply to him and he would be given the same opportunity that we all will have after this life to grow, change and repent.
The UT idea is much more interesting than the ET one, and would explain certain paranormal things – that is of course if we do not consider them purely projections of the human psyche. So should we see the visitation of Moroni as something else? Or not? I know that non-LDS Christians would like to brand him a demon, but that might be missing the mark too.
Quote:One of the LDS concepts that have fallen into the category of uncertainty or disbelief for me is the idea of Satan and his followers. At a minimum I don’t buy the typical LDS concept that he is around every corner at the root of every temptation we experience. And if he is real – I would expect that some day the atonement would also apply to him and he would be given the same opportunity that we all will have after this life to grow, change and repent.
Life is strange. For example, I have contact with certain addicts and alcoholics and they tell me that their addiction has an odd knack of “hopping” to a second party or almost coming back through someone else, as if it doesn’t want to let go. This even happens in some cases where the addict HASN’T mentioned s/he is quitting. Perception or something more sinister?
I certainly think a certain percentage of temptation originates within. If there are demons out there, they’d merely kickstart the process rather than continue with it.
In Mormon belief though, demons are vast in number 1/3 of the former heavenly host. Most of the other 2/3 are not alive/born.
When crap happens people love to have some thing or entity to blame. Hence the saying the devil made me do it. Quote:When crap happens people love to have some thing or entity to blame.
Yeah, they tend to not like messiness and uncertainty.
Cadence wrote:When crap happens people love to have some thing or entity to blame. Hence the saying the devil made me do it.
I’m not really thinking along those lines, more the idea of an identifiably separate entity.
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