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Come on, guys. It’s not all that ludicrous. The radio didn’t have to be fixed for a while for the songs and message to get through to Bill. It’s not bad to allow for things to be true on some level. What I mean is, even in private, behind closed doors, with our spouses, it may not be helpful to discount too much the things Sister Jones says in Sunday School. Tom Haws wrote:It was a wonderful story until the radio was revealed to be broken (though there is certainly more going on around us than meets the eye, and I leave it to Heaven to get
anyDad to go to anychurch with his family, even by visionary means/daydreams). Can I ask some follow-up questions? What was President Monson’s demeanor and tone of voice in telling this story? He tends to have a twinkle in his eye anyway when he tell his stories. What did you discern?
I was actually sitting behind Pres. Monson, so I couldn’t see his face. He was serious, though, I’m pretty sure of that.…and I agree with the apparent majority — it did seem too much at the point of the radio being broken. But I’ve experienced some amazing things, so I’m not saying someone is lying. It could happen.
😯 HiJolly
Tom Haws wrote:What I mean is, even in private, behind closed doors, with our spouses, it may not be helpful to discount too much the things Sister Jones says in Sunday School.
I found myself thinking that if I had heard that from Sister Jones in Sunday School, I may have given it some credence. From Pres. Monson, for some reason, it doesn’t rate in the same way. What does that say about me? Or what does that say about Pres. Monson? We report, you decide????????
🙄 For me, its not the point that the miraculous can’t happen, can God send a message through a radio…sure, I don’t doubt that and I am open to the fact it very well may have happened. In fact, the sound is probably better quality than through a burning bush. But this is the point of the thread discussion to me…it is a story told by someone, someone else heard it, eventually it got to Pres Monson’s ears, who must have been impacted by it in order to retell it, and then HiJolley heard it and retold it to us.
Phew, that is a lot of links in the telephone chain. Not that it couldn’t happen…but to me, it just loses that “faith promoting” impact when it is so far removed by the individual that it just becomes a story. (ho-hum)
🙄 I think we are all different with our gifts and our spiritual temperments…what is faith promoting for some, is just not faith promoting for others. I get really into the deep doctrinal talks about Old Testament culture and explanations of scripture that satisfy my fact-seeking mind. My wife starts doodling to those talks. To each her own, I guess.
One of my favorite faith promoting talks was a given by a mother who wept as she expressed her answers to prayers as she went through a trial. In an interview with my bishop about my current trials, I told him her talk hit me like a ton of bricks…he simply told me, her situation is very similar to mine. I think the faith promoting stories are when we feel a link or kinship with the speaker who expresses truth that our spirit feels that connection. When it is so far removed from ourselves, our spirit just doesn’t sense the vibes…IMO.
Heber13 wrote:I think the faith promoting stories are when we feel a link or kinship with the speaker who expresses truth that our spirit feels that connection. When it is so far removed from ourselves, our spirit just doesn’t sense the vibes…IMO.
Perfectly said!!! imho
Amen. That is a great way to summarize it. A lot of these fall into the “spiritual twinkie” category for me. In my opinion they should probably NEVER be relied on to build up one’s faith, for the faith is a little shaky and more in the story than in God or Christ. Personal experience can be amazing, but if and when I share them I ALWAYS give the disclaimer that it is not intended to prove anything to anyone else. Quote:I found myself thinking that if I had heard that from Sister Jones in Sunday School, I may have given it some credence. From Pres. Monson, for some reason, it doesn’t rate in the same way. What does that say about me? Or what does that say about Pres. Monson? We report, you decide????????
Yeah. I think Pres. Monson likes to tell the over-the-top stories. At last GC we got the digging graves with teaspoons story. That just strains credulity, IMO. I found myself thinking, “Were they PLASTIC spoons?” (meaning, how could I make this story sound even more incredible/implausible?).
🙄 BUT, there’s a less cynical part of me that says, “Hey, that story just wasn’t meant for me.” And a good friend of mine actually found it very touching. So, who am I to judge? (Not that I didn’t).hawkgrrrl wrote:At last GC we got the digging graves with teaspoons story. That just strains credulity, IMO. I found myself thinking, “Were they PLASTIC spoons?” (meaning, how could I make this story sound even more incredible/implausible?).
🙄 ROFL. You’re so bad, hawkgrrrl!
😆 hawkgrrrl wrote:BUT, there’s a less cynical part of me that says, “Hey, that story just wasn’t meant for me.” And a good friend of mine actually found it very touching. So, who am I to judge? (Not that I didn’t).
Yup.HiJolly
hawkgrrrl wrote:Quote:I found myself thinking that if I had heard that from Sister Jones in Sunday School, I may have given it some credence. From Pres. Monson, for some reason, it doesn’t rate in the same way. What does that say about me? Or what does that say about Pres. Monson? We report, you decide????????
Yeah. I think Pres. Monson likes to tell the over-the-top stories. At last GC we got the digging graves with teaspoons story. That just strains credulity, IMO. I found myself thinking, “Were they PLASTIC spoons?” (meaning, how could I make this story sound even more incredible/implausible?).
🙄 BUT, there’s a less cynical part of me that says, “Hey, that story just wasn’t meant for me.” And a good friend of mine actually found it very touching. So, who am I to judge? (Not that I didn’t).
Oh man, I’m sorry. I’m trying to be serious, but hawkgrrrl you keep cracking me up. I’m really really really glad that I’m not the only one who thinks like this. I mean I try to be sensitive, but sometimes it’s just over the top for me and I can’t help it. I can always know if it’s okay for me to be cynical by looking at my wife. If I see her roll her eyes, then I figure it’s okay. It not, however, I just site quietly and roll my eyes in my mind🙄 !!But alas, as you said, who am I to judge.
jmb, was there a time earlier in your life or on your mission that these did mean something to you? Heber13 wrote:jmb, was there a time earlier in your life or on your mission that these did mean something to you?
Before jmb answers, I’d like to answer as another engineer. Being cautious of such stories seems to be a natural part of me that has always been present. But the caution has generally been deep within. Like HiJolly, I tend to say, “I guess it could happen”. But it’s sure nice when we don’t spread unsubstantiated impersonal rumors.
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