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Do the men really covenant not to reveal it or are they told not to reveal it until a specific time? Like is it “You will not reveal your name to your wife. Say yes”? Or… “Don’t reveal your name till told” ?
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Its been 20 years, but if I remember right, I was told to hold it sacred, but I didn’t covenant like I did to keep my new name sacred, and not reveal until told to do so at a special place in the temple. It was not any kind of ceremony or covenant…just a worker guiding me and teaching me that it is a sacred responsibility I should not take lightly. Despite what goes on in the temple that can reinforce the patriarchal order, those couple hours in the temple do not define my relationship. What goes on at home hour after hour, day after day, year after year is what reinforces an equal eternal partnership. The symbols in the temple can be put into different perspectives when the relationship is balanced and there is confidence God values his daughters and sons equally…and there are more teachings to emphasize around the need for men and women to both work towards exaltation together. IOW, you define how your marriage relationship will work…the church is there to support families, but the final decisions are yours to make on how you live it in your home.
Yeah, I understand that. I have decided to just change what I can, and that would be working in my home with my husband to be, and just having counsels together, but in no way is he Bishop-Husband, and I’m first counselor-wife, I don’t think we are ever going to use the Family Proclamation in our home, except that I will have only a phrase from it, hanging in my home, and that is going to be “By Divine Design…Husbands and Wives are…to be equals”. Basically just taking out the objectionable stuff in that line, and putting it down to what works for me. I guess I would have to. Today I am doing a limited one meal (all I can do) fast for softening of hearts for revelation to be received on what needs to be changed, line upon line as Jesus taught.
Any little bit helps I guess, even if I can’t see it helping.
wonderingcurrent wrote:but in now way is he Bishop-Husband, and I’m first counselor-wife, I don’t think we are ever going to use the Family Proclamation in our home, except that I will have only a phrase from it, hanging in my home, and that is going to be “By Divine Design…Husbands and Wives are…to be equals”
:thumbup: I think there are many in the church who think about it just like you do. I like the way you can take what works for you in the Proclamation, and leave out the rest. There are still things in the church that can help families…so we can focus on those things.
wonderingcurrent wrote:Do the men really covenant not to reveal it or are they told not to reveal it until a specific time?
Like is it “You will not reveal your name to your wife. Say yes”? Or… “Don’t reveal your name till told” ?
Please PM me if you want.
You only speak your own new name two times, ever. The first time is in part of the endowment. The second time is at the end of the endowment at the veil (which is a like a review session of what you just learned). This is only when you are going through the first time for your own endowment. All the other visits to the temple you are acting as a proxy for someone else, and you use the new name they were given.
There’s one catch: The husband takes the wife through the veil at one point when they get married in the temple. So she gives her new name to him. He does not give his new name to his wife at any point in the process. I wanted to let you know so you are prepared for that. Didn’t want it to be a surprise based on the type of concerns you have already been sharing.
After that, I suppose it’s really up to you guys to decide what that all means. The wording to me always seemed that the you don’t tell your new name to ANYONE, ever, your whole life, except in those spots in the temple that one single time you are endowed or get married.
Am I mistaken? I am actually kind of amused that I’ve never had this conversation with other guys. Does anyone else tell their wife their new name?
For me the whole idea of the new name is just to make a person feel set apart and special. It’s part of why fraternal organizations used to be so popular. The rituals and ceremonies with code words, hand clasps (my oldest daughter is phi beta kappa and was given the secret grip to help her recognize other of the fraternity) help you to feel as I said, special and apart. “Thursday, December 28th 1845 Meeting at half past 10 o’clock this day in the attic story of the Temple…Pres. Young arose…The keys or signs of the Priesthood are for the purpose of impressing on the mind the order of creation – In the first place the name of a man is given, a new name, Adam, signifying the first man or Eve, the first woman – Adam’s name was more ancient than he was – it was the name of a man long before him, who enjoyed the Priesthood. The new name should be after some ancient man – thus with your ancient name, your modern name, and the name last given you, you enquire concerning things past, present, & future. Heber C. Kimball Journal, 28 Dec 1845, LDS Archives
Well its good to see some explanation. Haven’t seen this thread in a while. But its good to see there is a quote. Makes things a bit clearer. Combing through old threads again. Lots of interesting comments in this one. Heber13 wrote:It is good to have things like that in life, that we do take serious.
That’s interesting, with each passing day I see a growing need for things like that. A small thing that I feel I can still reverence even in the face of losing all faith. A small anchor that remains in the recesses of my beliefs.
Roy wrote:When I was sealed to DW and received her new name, I was pretty nervous trying not to mess up and I didn’t catch what she had said.
I had a similar experience. I believe that I wasn’t sufficiently prepared for the day I first took out my endowments (there’s a story there, but I don’t want to derail the thread) and I was similarly ill-prepared the day I was sealed. The new name is something I hold very sacred, so when I participated in that ordinance I experienced a bit of anxiety and the weight of receiving DWs new name hit me physically and emotionally, so much so that to this day I have concerns over whether I heard it properly. Now I didn’t have a nervous breakdown or anything, but it did feel like a shock to my system. Enough to put me off balance.
Given the sacred nature of the ordinance I think it shows just how much trust LDS women have in their husbands. Frankly it’s amazing. To me it equates to an added responsibility. I hold something sacred for myself – and now something that is likewise sacred to DW has become equally sacred for me. In the end it doesn’t really matter what that thing is, just that there is such a thing and that it can be built on.
That said I read the posts about the uni-directional nature of the ordinance being a sexist carryover from the past and that the true meaning of the temple is rooted in symbolism. I get that. Just saying.
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