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I’d like to hear that the GC PM is being augmented by a GC RS meeting. They will alternate. Saturday night for every conference, one GC for the men, the next for the women. Let whichever group that is ‘off’ have a meeting in the time slot of the current General RS meeting that is not part of GC. Flip a Deseret twenty dollar gold piece to determine who gets April and who gets October. I would like to hear this message: Quote:Many of us struggle from time to time with the realities in life. We cannot judge others (especially our family members) who feel some things are hard to believe in, or no longer believe things the same way as they used to, for fear they are lost and forever changed. We all change over time as we experience life. When I was young, I hated broccoli. It is now one of my favorite things to eat. So it is with peoples’ beliefs. We must not think that because I like broccoli, everyone must like it, especially if there are other ways to get equally proper nutrition.
None of us walk an absolute perfectly straight path in life. There is variation in beliefs and preferences from time to time, as our experiences of the world change from time to time. It is why the Lord uses the analogy of a light on a hill to point us in the right direction, realizing immediate obstacles in our footpath require minor adjustments in our course.
It is critical, however, to constantly re-calibrate our thoughts and beliefs against the teachings from the Lord, who is the Way, to ensure we are continually moving in the right direction, even if our variation, and others’ variation are not completely synchronized variations.
Heber13, kind of like some of Pres. Uchtdorf’s talks? 
Heber13, I’d give it a hardy AMEN. I wouldn’t even complain if I heard it again as part of a Sacrament Meeting talk a couple months later. And that’s saying something. Old-Timer wrote:Heber13, kind of like some of Pres. Uchtdorf’s talks?
If they could morph the late great Neal A Maxwell with President Uchtdorf…I bet the talks would be saweeeet!turinturambar wrote:bridget_night wrote:I would like them to tell about their new website
http://www.mormonsandgays.org/ and address what they website says about how it is not choice and how to treat gays in the church. And that they want every Priesthood and RS leader to review this website. People just don’t know and gays are still being treated badly in the church.Bridget, I’m really glad you posted this.
I was very hopeful when the church released this website last year, and although I’m not completely happy with it, it’s a good start. I can’t describe how much it
crushedme when not a single wordwas breathed about it during the April conference. Not one. It made me feel that the Brethren don’t really care about this issue–that they’re just putting the site out there for PR reasons. This one thing has done more to solidify my disaffection than any historical detail I’ve ever encountered. If they fail to mention it this week, I don’t know what I’m going to do. 
Yes, thanks Bridget for posting this. I had no idea this website existed. I do wish the church would address this issue more. I have a gay brother who I’m very close to and I’m sure he would appreciate more open discussions about this.
Deepthinker wrote:turinturambar wrote:bridget_night wrote:I would like them to tell about their new website
http://www.mormonsandgays.org/ and address what they website says about how it is not choice and how to treat gays in the church. And that they want every Priesthood and RS leader to review this website. People just don’t know and gays are still being treated badly in the church.Bridget, I’m really glad you posted this.
I was very hopeful when the church released this website last year, and although I’m not completely happy with it, it’s a good start. I can’t describe how much it
crushedme when not a single wordwas breathed about it during the April conference. Not one. It made me feel that the Brethren don’t really care about this issue–that they’re just putting the site out there for PR reasons. This one thing has done more to solidify my disaffection than any historical detail I’ve ever encountered. If they fail to mention it this week, I don’t know what I’m going to do. Yes, thanks Bridget for posting this. I had no idea this website existed. I do wish the church would address this issue more. I have a gay brother who I’m very close to and I’m sure he would appreciate more open discussions about this.
turinturambar – Are you there? I have thought about this post today.
As have I, friend. I know it must have been extremes for you this weekend. Pres. Monson talked about how much he misses his wife right now and how hard that is for him. How would the GA’s feel if they were told they would have to give up their wives and children? I remember
seeing Meryl Strepp in “Sohie’s Choice”. Our government talks about prisoners not
getting ‘cruel and unusual punishment.” To not be able to ‘Love’ is cruel and unusual punishment. My son is in a relationship right now with a young man from an Asian
country. We support their relationship and love this young man. But, they have
to keep it unwraps because his partner’s family would not approve and considers homosexuality ‘yucky.’ What if all left handed, blind, or anyone that is different was not
allowed to marry or have a relationship? Until, they have walked in a gay
person’s shoes, they really don’t understand.
Quote:Until, they have walked in a gay person’s shoes, they really don’t understand.
Since that can’t happen, people need to know, understand, be close to and love people who are gay. We have that now in the top leadership in at least two cases, and I am positive that is a huge part of why some of them now view this differently than some others.
Frankly, I think at least a couple of the apostles (actually, probably at least four of them) hurt just as much as you do, Bridget, when they hear some of the messages others give – not necessarily related to gay marriage, but to the overall tone. It’s sad to say it’s a generational thing, given our natural expectations of people in that position, but there is a strong element that is that simple.
Old-Timer wrote:Quote:Until, they have walked in a gay person’s shoes, they really don’t understand.
Since that can’t happen, people need to know, understand, be close to and love people who are gay. We have that now in the top leadership in at least two cases, and I am positive that is a huge part of why some of them now view this differently than some others.
Frankly, I think at least a couple of the apostles (actually, probably at least four of them) hurt just as much as you do, Bridget, when they hear some of the messages others give – not necessarily related to gay marriage, but to the overall tone. It’s sad to say it’s a generational thing, given our natural expectations of people in that position, but there is a strong element that is that simple.
I agree, Ray. There are far fewer hardliners than there were 30 or even 20 years ago. The change of the tide is slow, but it is happening.
They follow a command and control model. This was popular in the 50’s and 60’s. We all dress that way now too. Not much has changed in men’s dress since Harold B. Lee started dressing like a business manager. I feel that the work force, and Generation X and the Millenials don’t react as well to that approach anymore. I know I don’t. I have enough boxes into which I have to fit in my life. I want to be creative, try new things, and make a difference…not have my behavior scripted, and then call it God’s will when all it is, is policy.
Quote:They follow a command and control model.
No, some of them follow that model, especially the older ones. It’s important not to over-state things like that.
Answering the original question I would love to hear a clear repudiation of the counsel that members should always follow the guidance of their leaders, and that they will be blessed for their “obedience” even if the counsel is wrong. In my opinion “obedience” in the religious context can only happen when the directive is righteous. If the direction is not in fact toward God there are no blessings for the effort, it is our job to discern the spirit and move in true righteousness regardless of what our neighbors (church leaders or not) tell us.
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