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October 17, 2009 at 2:58 am #224191
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GuestFwiw, Chad Hardy was excommunicated for encouraging members (ex-missionaries, in fact) to break their temple covenants and for publicly sexualizing missionaries for profit. Personally, I believe both of those are pretty severe offenses – and the fact that he had no remorse whatsoever and didn’t mind being excommunicated made the decision pretty easy, imo. October 20, 2009 at 8:04 am #224192Anonymous
GuestOld-Timer wrote:Fwiw, Chad Hardy was excommunicated for encouraging members (ex-missionaries, in fact) to break their temple covenants and for publicly sexualizing missionaries for profit. Personally, I believe both of those are pretty severe offenses – and the fact that he had no remorse whatsoever and didn’t mind being excommunicated made the decision pretty easy, imo.
Is a missionary breaking his or her covenants by being in a bathing suit? I am sure there are quite a few active LDS males and females who are models who pose in far less than the male missionaries did for that calendar. Also, I am not sure it was negative since I knew several non-member women tho joked about not sending missionaries away the next time they knocked on her door.
October 21, 2009 at 12:00 am #224193Anonymous
GuestThe Chad Hardy thing was very unfortunate, in my opinion. From what I’ve read (which he wrote),I agree with those that have posted that he both expected and kind of welcomed being excommunicated. Showing guys in bathing suits was not specifically the issue (I too know a ton of models who do not get excommunicated for their choices, nor actors and actresses for their betrayal of some behaviors, such as drinking and implied extramarital sex). My thoughts about the calendar (a fellow missionary from my first area appeared in the first issue, and a friend from high school in the second issue) are “Tacky!” Taking actual missionary pictures of those men as missionaries and juxtaposing them with those same men topless would have been weird, but at least real–most would have looked pretty different in the before and after shots, I suspect. Having those men get dressed up as missionaries and once more put on their nametags, I think was inappropriate. However, I haven’t seen anything about those men from the first calendar being excommunicated (except for Chad Hardy)…anyone else know whether there were disciplinary councils involved for them?
I think it would have been less weird if the calendar had been more focused on “hot LDS men” or even “hot RMs” (without focusing on fake photographs of them as missionaries). Just my opinion.
Many authors/actors/directors, etc. have characters (Mormon or otherwise) that do immoral things, with or without getting retribution for it, and those artistic creators are not categorically disfellowshipped or excommunicated (Orson Scott Card is one that readily comes to my mind).
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