When in FC…what are your core beliefs:

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DarkJedi said this in another thread… wrote:

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Anyway, as I was transitioning my faith in starting to come out of the crisis mode I also laid down some foundational truths like you did. They are my truths, just like your truths are yours. I do believe there is universal truth but I don’t believe all of us have discovered some parts of it (and we’re all in different places with it) and I believe there is some that none of us yet know. My foundation truths are probably a bit more basic than yours – I believe there is a Creator God and that He has a general love for us. I believe He wants us to love one another. On the other hand, prayer is a big sticky for me – I don’t believe in it in the way most (even non-Mormons) do. I move forward one day at a time, some days are much easier than others.

My core foundational truths include:

1. I believe there is a God in Heaven,…a real individual.

2. I believe Jesus did in fact walk into Gethsemane, and eventually out of an empty tomb.

3. I believe that love is the key to everything, and I force myself (it is not natural at this point) to believe God loves me the way I NEED,…not the way HE CHOOSES. There are all kinds of LDS doctrines and people who would freak out about this one,..but I don’t care. If my God is not big enough to be who I need when I need, then I can’t believe in Him. So, this is a REALLY difficult and sticky one for me.

4. Because of #3,…I force myself to believe that God will be there for me when I need Him. I am still struggling with this one a lot.

I am VERY interested in learning what others core beliefs are……

Please share…..

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You will find some responses to that question on this thread:

What are your non-negotiables?

You can respond to any older threads and bump up old discussions to build up new ideas on older threads.

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Here is a formative version of mine — took someone else’s and modified it:

I believe my conscience is the ultimate filter through which I assess truth. All other potential sources of truth are subject to my personal conscience.

We can only ‘know’ the ‘truth’ that works for us. Each person’s experience is crucial in defining ultimate truth for them.

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From the my post on the other “conflicts” thread.

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The answer was that God knew, accepted, and loved me and my deceased [stillborn] daughter equally and fully.

That is all.

[Anonymous]

When in FC? I didn’t have any core beliefs. Old things had passed away, and all things had become new.

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I really appreciate and relate to your numbers 3 and 4. I see #1 and 2 as real possibilities, but I can’t find the toe and finger holds to make them a central point of focus for me. To myself I say God is what is. God is the reality of the universe. My job is to be open to learn whatever I can about that reality, through any method available to me. Christ’s teachings are central, I can sense that much. Facts are verifiable, but truths reach much deeper.

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What SilentDawning Said.

Ditto that.

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What are my core beliefs?

Whether or not I believe in God depends on the day. Since my FC I doubt Him a lot but sometimes I really need Him.

My core belief is that I love my family and want to do whats best for them. Everything for me is encapsulated in that.

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In the deepest part of my faith crisis I don’t think I had core beliefs. In that depth I had become agnostic leaning atheist. I even wondered if being a good person and being kind to others was necessary and if it really got anyone anywhere.

My faith transition began as I realized that I don’t believe all of this just happened, that there had to be some type of creative force behind it all. That Creator I believe is God. My view of God became deist at the point, and I continue to have a deist view God. I believe He is the Creator, but I don’t believe He is regularly involved with us as a group or individually. Perhaps He is never involved with us. Interestingly, and I don’t understand this myself, I believe in a Savior/Mediator/Redeemer. I believe this on a spiritual level, not because I think there needs to be one. I believe the Bible accounts of Jesus Christ are really great stories, but I am not at all sure of their accuracy nor do I believe all of them (perhaps even most of them) actually happened. I believe we’re supposed to be kind to others because every major religion or belief system teaches something very similar – I believe it is a universal truth (and the only universal truth I have found). I believe Joseph Smith had a profound spiritual experience which cannot be embodied in words, but did not necessarily happen in the way described or understood. (I’m not sure that last one is a core belief, but it a strong belief.)

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This is all very interesting to me. I have swayed in this past almost 9 months from one spectrum to another. I hope for many things.

I hope there is a God who loves me. I really hope.

I hope there is a Savior who died for me. I have had a strong relationship to Him in the past and am trying to find it again.

I have become quite the believer in being already saved and that being good is about love. That the more love you have for others and for God, the more you will want to serve others and Him.

I am just trying to answer a question my brother asked me recently. He has removed his records from the church now and has become atheist. I told him I still believe in God, but the church is tougher for me. He asked me about God and said “what is the point of our lives then? Is this just a game to Him? What is our purpose?” I was taken back with this question. I thought about receiving bodies and maybe that is the real test. Maybe we put too much emphasis on the test of faith and maybe just learning how a body works is more important than we thought?? Maybe it’s just about creation? Like families?? I just don’t know anymore. I don’t want to become atheist, but I just am so confused now. I love believing in God and Christ, but this FC has really thrown me for a loop.

DJ–not to put you on the spot…but I am. Haha. As a deist, what have been your thoughts on this topic? Have you ever thought about what the reason is for life? Anyone else have thoughts on this? It would help me out a lot! Thanks for this topic Rob4Hope.

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slowlylosingit wrote:

DJ–not to put you on the spot…but I am. Haha. As a deist, what have been your thoughts on this topic? Have you ever thought about what the reason is for life? Anyone else have thoughts on this? It would help me out a lot! Thanks for this topic Rob4Hope.

Good question, and I don’t know the answer. I have thought about it but I don’t have any conclusions. I’m not sure about the whole plan of salvation thing, I have serious doubts about pre-earth, and there is so little (and sometimes conflicting) information about post-earth. There is a whole lot of “could be” in there for me. We could have lived in some form before coming here, but Saturday’s Warrior makes no sense to me (sorry Jimmy, you’re on your own). I am also not sold on the idea of this life being a test as in God trying to prove us. What would be the purpose, especially if God is omniscient and knows the end from the beginning? I am open to the idea that this life could be a time for us to learn and grow and/or to experience joy and pain – but I have no testimony that such is the case. I kind of like the Givens idea that this life is a step up for us. What happens after this life? I’m waiting to see and I don’t think anyone on earth really knows.

In the interest of full disclosure, I am not totally deist, but I do believe that God (as in Heavenly Father) is very hands off and that His primary role probably was/is as Creator. I have not reconciled the idea of the “Son of God” or of the Holy Ghost, but I do not believe Jehovah, Jesus, or the Holy Ghost are all the same being as Heavenly Father (but I don’t know what they are, either).

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I am a child of God.

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Quote:

Psalm 118 : “This is the day which the Lord hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.”

When I don’t know anything else, I know that in all likelihood I have the next 24 hours in front of me. I have the sense that each day of my life has been a gift, and that sense is a gift to me.

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Thank you DJ for your thoughts. I think I have some similar thoughts, but I think my beliefs and understanding on Christ are a lot stronger than on God. So when my brother asked me those questions about God, I just couldn’t answer. I hadn’t really faced those questions yet, within myself especially. It’s going to be a long work in progress, this is where I fight my impatience. [emoji30]

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I have a comment on the difference between Christ and God for me.

One of the things I am grateful for — and it seems to help in the crisis moments — is that Jesus bled. I will probably offend people when I say what I want to,…but here goes:

I have a philosphical view of what Jesus did, and it resonates with me. In my mind, when Jesus took upon Himself the sins of the world, he didn’t take the punish only as it were…I believe he took on Himself the responsibility for committing the sin in the first place. When He did that, He became the most vile, loathsome, wicked individual who has or will ever exist.

HOLD ON THERE!!! I can hear someone screaming. But keep listening…

If Jesus descended below all things (whatever that means), then it means (to me) that HE did in fact become through some means I don’t understand, the most loathsome, despicable, evil individual who has ever existed on this earth, perhaps those falling into perdition being exceptions. If Jesus did NOT take upon himself the very responsibility for having committed sins in the first place, then how could he truly understand? How could he really atone for the wrong choice in the first place?

So, in my mind, when Jesus bled,..it was because of utter self loathing and inner horror…not only suffering the punishment of the sin, but taking on the responsibility for having committed it in the first place.

I believe this. This is something I believe about the atonement. True or not..I believe it,…and WHY I believe it is because I can’t connect with the glorious Jesus (or God); the only Jesus I can connect to is the broken evil one. I connect with the wounds, the sorrow, the sadness, the longing, the suffering. Something inside my own sympathies, and because of my own wounds, connects at that level. This RESONATES!!!

In my crisis moments, I am grateful that Jesus could descend below all, and pay the full price….I am grateful that he bled…and that he could drink that bitter cup and bear it off.

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