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I can’t argue the points you made. On one hand we are told we have everything we need, on the other hand we are told there are more things. I guess this just further serves to illustrate the “problems” so many of us have with the LDS church. Paradox is horrible – and is wonderful. It’s a paradox. :ugeek: I felt it was important to make the point that we don’t have “everything” because sometimes this argument is used to suggest the following: “If another church has things that are good and true then we must already have those things plus more.”
To soften this argument, I find it helpful first to explain that we don’t have “everything.” At some point I might suggest that some churches are better at some things than we are. And finally, that God can also work through other churches to bring to pass his great work. None of this discredits the LDS church in any way, it just softens some of the exclusivist claims. (P.S. I believe B.H. Roberts held similar theories so that helps if someone wants to label you a heretic)
Absolutely, Roy. In order to make that point, I’ve long said to orthodox members that the “Dispensation of the Fullness of Times” appears to be a title to describe the condition at the END of the dispensation – that all things will be restored and revealed by the time it’s all said and done, NOT at any point along the way. Everything points to that idea, as you’ve indicated.
hawkgrrrl wrote:An NT or NF should never be chased out by an SJ, IMO. SJs are common. NTs and NFs are more rare. We will encounter SJs our whole lives, BTW. We adapted throughout school, we adapt at work. We know how to adapt. Awareness should only make it easier to adapt by seeing it for what it is. We don’t go to church for the groupthink. We aren’t SJs. We should be far more skilled at dealing with people who are different from us.
This is a great thought. Thanks hawk. I think this we could start a whole new thread on this concept alone.
Roy wrote:I felt it was important to make the point that we don’t have “everything” because sometimes this argument is used to suggest the following:
“If another church has things that are good and true then we must already have those things plus more.”
To soften this argument, I find it helpful first to explain that we don’t have “everything.” At some point I might suggest that some churches are better at some things than we are. And finally, that God can also work through other churches to bring to pass his great work. None of this discredits the LDS church in any way, it just softens some of the exclusivist claims. (P.S. I believe B.H. Roberts held similar theories so that helps if someone wants to label you a heretic)
Excellent excellent statement. Thanks for the perspective.
canadiangirl wrote:Yes and I feel like I am dying spiritually.
Do I continue to stay where I feel stifled and bored out of my mind or do I set myself free to explore the world?
I feel deep compassion for you, CG. Set yourself free! Explore! Read “Conversations With God” and “A New Earth” and Joseph Campbell. Read the Edwin Arnold’s Bhagavad Gita and Stephen Mitchell’s Tao Te Ching. Don’t die, live!
Cadence wrote:So yes I do blame the leaders as much as the members because they never just come out and say “hey quit with all the … rules” They just make subtle statements about living the spirit of the law, and other innocuous comments.
Maybe the leaders are afraid and don’t know how to let the SP’s go. In their hearts, maybe they say, “But if I say it out loud, I will lose them.” This fear is real. And the SJ’s want rules. If only the rules were more meaningful. How about some detailed rules for a successful 40-day fast? How about some detailed instructions for how to follow the Spirit? How about some ideas from Eckhart Tolle or Adyashanti?
Old-Timer wrote:if the membership would listen and accept what the current apostles are saying about LOTS of things (like this) many of these issues would be much, much less prevelant.
I agree. Largely, it’s religion-by-tradition that’s to blame.
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