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    I learned today that four possibly important words are almost always dropped from the famous quote by President Woodruff on how the president of the Church can’t lead us astray, with no indication that anything is missing.

    Quote:

    I say to Israel, the Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God.

    Original source (before the article titled “Markets and Stocks”): http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045555/1890-10-11/ed-1/seq-2/

    See https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/od/1?lang=eng for a fine example.

    Now, I’m not saying that these words definitely mean that he was giving his opinion, but removing them definitely makes it sound like he wasn’t.

    I’d like to know how deliberate the omission is in current materials. Is there an early reference that everything current draws from? When did those words start getting left out?

    #316707
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    I don’t know the answer to your question. But I see “I say to Israel” as akin to “Thus saith the Lord” and I’m sort of glad it’s not there. Just my 2 cents. (I’m eventually going to go broke here. ;) )

    #316708
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    Maybe it was left out because it just sounds weird. Is he talking to Israel the country? Or the scattered tribes of Israel? It seems that he is talking to the church and calling us Israel in a spiritual sense that outsiders will not understand. To outsiders it just comes across as weird without really adding anything to the content of the message.

    #316709
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    What Roy said.

    #316710
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    Points taken. Thanks for providing good alternate explanations.

    #316711
    Anonymous
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    In the early years of the LDS faith – we referred to outsiders as “Gentiles”. I would imagine insiders saw themselves (maybe even called themselves) Israel. So as I read it – it says, “To all believers . . .”

    #316712
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    Like Roy said.

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