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LDS.org has a very provocative (IMO) title of an article “Where does your testimony fall on the faith spectrum? Watch and learn.” Associated with it is a picture of the new Peru temple. But when I click on the link what appears is an article about the Peru temple open house, only. 
:My curiosity is having fun speculating on what produced this title and if there is a story is associated with it. As I think about It, it just gets curiouser and curiouser.
can you provide a link…i cant see anything on the website referring to that Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Desire Is Key to Testimony, Elder Robbins Tells Young Adults?????I’m still not seeing it?
I saw quite a bit of that address when it was given Sunday night. While it is clear the upper echelons are concerned about losing young people to doubt, this full talk will not sit well with most here. I couldn’t link to the chart, either, but I assume it is the same one shown in the broadcast. The link to the broadcast is here.
https://www.lds.org/broadcasts/archive/worldwide-devotionals/2015/01?lang=eng ” class=”bbcode_url”> https://www.lds.org/broadcasts/archive/worldwide-devotionals/2015/01?lang=eng dash1730 wrote:LDS.org has a very provocative (IMO) title of an article “Where does your testimony fall on the faith spectrum? Watch and learn.” Associated with it is a picture of the new Peru temple. But when I click on the link what appears is an article about the Peru temple open house, only.
My curiosity is having fun speculating on what produced this title and if there is a story is associated with it. As I think about It, it just gets curiouser and curiouser.
I’m confused. None of the links above have anything to do with Dash’s post that I can see.In his talk on Sunday night he talks about where your testimony falls on the faith spectrum. I didn’t listen to the talk yet, but I am not sure I really care to. My link is a summary of what he talks about Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
This morning I checked and the title has been changed to “Inside the Trijillo Peru Temple–See photo gallery.” So obviously the title “Where does your faith fall on the faith spectrum? was an error that has been corrected. As to the title “Where does your faith fall on the faith spectrum?” was an actual talk as has already mentioned. I don’t have time now, but I will read it tonight and salve my curiosity. I hope it really does acknowledge some of the legitimate range of convictions, and acknowledge the legitimacy of doubt, evidence gathering, etc and not just how everything is goodness and light. I’ll write my response to the real talk I’ll write a response tonight or tomorrow.
I think the link on LDS.org has changed titles a couple times and I recall the talk initially being billed as something for those who have questions (there was a discussion on another board about that). FWIW, the talk does not appear to be in print yet, only the video is available. Elder Robbins (Seventy) says he is going to talk about how he came to a knowledge of Jesus Christ and how others can, too. The graphic first appears at just over 12 minutes (Robbins doesn’t start to speak until 10 minutes in). The graphic runs from atheist (0) to “perfect knowledge of Jesus Christ and his gospel” (10) and asks where you place yourself saying that you probably place yourself lower than you are. He references Alma and desire, Pascal’s Wager (choose to believe or not to believe), and the prodigal son (as being duped by Satan). He returns to Alma and planting the seed, and learning by study and faith and uses Joseph Smith as an example. There is a graphic within the graphic about study and faith intersecting with thoughts and feelings (mind and heart).
Back to Alma nourishing the seed and “knowing” as opposed to faith (he says acting on faith gives knowledge according to Alma), but your knowledge is only perfect in that thing. Following Christ allows us to taste the fruit and be converted, enjoying blessings and joy (references Lehi’s dream).
Conversion requires lifelong study, faith, and prayer and is ongoing. The mighty change doesn’t mean we won’t have questions, and questions are good – references Joseph Smith and how the D&C is largely answers to questions asked by Joseph Smith. (Interesting note that he says the Savior learned the same way and did not have a fullness at first – we rarely hear that from a GA.)
He discusses “perfect knowledge” and references Moroni 7 (everything good is of Christ) and talks about even the world referencing our consciences. The graphic is complete at this point, about a half hour in.
He then discusses opposition in all things at length, illustrating that we appreciate good (Christlike attributes) because of bad experiences. He says people outside the church also have this kind of testimony, which he calls terrestrial (because they have the Light of Christ also but don’t have the full gospel). He compares many teachings (doctrines according to him) unique to the church to those practiced outside the church (literal God as Father vs. incomprehensible God; priesthood authority vs. theological degrees; baptism for the dead vs. praying for the dead, and several more) and calls these things truths vs. their opposites.
He then discusses faith vs. seeing and believing, using examples of Laman and Lemuel, Israelites, and those who lived in Jesus’s time (all of who didn’t believe despite seeing). He tells the story of a man converted by the Book of Mormon and testifies that the Holy Ghost will manifest truth.
It’s not a terrible presentation, but if you’re looking for something other than study, pray, and believe to get answers to your questions, you won’t find it here. The graphic is really Alma’s seed analogy and little more, and the only point in placing yourself on the scale seems to be to prove you “know” more than you think (which I suppose is true to an extent for some of us).
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