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But even back years ago, I was the ones telling my very conservative friends that Obama was not the anti-Christ and to calm down a bit.
Anti-Christ, Hitler….it is a lot of fear, isn’t it? But things move forward. I think we are going in a good direction as a country, but should be better.I do see a lot of similarities between Hilter and Trump. Hitler was seen as a joke at first. Germany was in an economic slump and Hitler told the people what they wanted to hear. Both have managed to capture the votes of lots of very angry and frustrated people.
(deleted) I have avoided the Hitler comparison while others used it, because I thought it was hyperbolic. The Florida rally changed that for me. Seriously, if you haven’t heard about it, do a Google search. See the pictures. Read what he said. As a historian, it was deeply frightening.
I respectfully ask that this thread be closed. While I share the concerns enumerated here, I don’t know how this helps anyone StayLDS. True and I hope I have not offended anyone. On Own Now wrote:I respectfully ask that this thread be closed. While I share the concerns enumerated here, I don’t know how this helps anyone StayLDS.
We’re taking it under advisement. In the meantime it will remain open as long as the posts remain civil and respectful. I will note that not all of our topics are directly related to helping people StayLDS, although it could be argued they should be.
I simply note that there are people who are LDS and may be experiencing elements of faith crisis, but who are supporters of one of the current set of candidates. I think first and foremost, we want them to feel welcome here. Political discussions that assume that everyone who is struggling to StayLDS is unhappy with the field of candidates or is of a particular political persuasion will ultimately feel like a stiff arm to people who don’t actually fit those molds, but who come here for spiritual/religious support. If someone doesn’t like this tread, then DONT READ IT! BTW, I work for the Dept. of Defense, and it I did anything close to what Hillary did with her e-mail, not only would I lose my job, but I would be in Prison. I have a personal friend that lost his job for doing just a fraction of what Hillary did in her e-mail. Makes me sick to think about what she is going to get away with.
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I’m going to unlock this thread instead of starting a new thread (we can move it later if needed), but wanted to discuss the recent news on Trump’s results in Utah. See article:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-mormon-problem-thats-not-000000099.html ” class=”bbcode_url”> https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-mormon-problem-thats-not-000000099.html Quote:One of the last things former Sen. Bob Bennett, R-Utah, did before he died in early May was to apologize. From his bed at George Washington University Hospital, Bennett, who had been battling pancreatic cancer for over a year, told his son he wanted to apologize to any Muslims in the hospital. “I’d love to go up to every single one of them to thank them for being in this country, and apologize to them on behalf of the Republican Party for Donald Trump.”
Bennett is hardly the first or most prominent Republican to criticize Trump for his rhetoric on immigrants and Muslims, but he is part of a growing chorus of Mormon voices that have publicly broken with the likely GOP nominee.
I think this is what most of my family and mormons I talk to have been thinking. It is hard to find who to vote for, and as mormons we want to do our civic duty. It’s a hard place to be.
I think this discussion is relevant to our journeys in how we stayLDS with members talking about politics and these news headlines.
Anyone have a comment on this?
I wish Romney would get back into the ring. He is a gentleman, a statesman, an experienced politician, and he approaches problems from a scholarly perspective, relying on research to inform his decisions. He knows how to present himself in public. Although I expect the 52% comment he made last election (bastardized and morphed by the press) will continue to haunt him. I trust him not to take extreme actions that plunge us into war. I fear that with Trump. The fact that Romney is Mormon has nothing to do with my decision, in fact, I consider it a bit of a liability on his ticket, but his other characteristics are so strong, I look at it neutrally…
I’m also impressed with how he got near universal health care in Massachusetts while keeping the private system intact. He’s a problem solver, and I hear it is a really exhilarating experience to work with him. I read his No Apology book cover to cover, and he starts by referring to scholarly thought/theory about issues such as education, the environment, international competitiveness etcetera. Then he boils it down to practical steps that show how we would solve the problems.
I think we would have a better America with him at the helm, notwithstanding the lack of power the president has — and I loved his slogan “Believe in America”. It all starts with faith (speaking of faith as a motivator of action, not an excuse for believing things that are outlandish), and his slogan indicated the starting point for America’s return to greatness that we lost on so many fronts in recent decades.
Anyway, I grew up in a socialist country, and I have trouble with it as a political philosophy. In America, people call me a moderate, while in my home country, they called me a raging conservative.
To the mods — when I saw this thread topic, I thought it was going to be a hands-down lockdown. I think it’s a testament to the faith the moderators have in our ability to discuss matters in a professional way that it’s open for us to discuss here. And I think that faith is well-placed given the maturity and professionalism I’ve seen from so many people on this discussion forum.
Most conservative Mormons I know have expressed similar sentiments that I see being expressed by the general public, a reluctant vote for Hillary to prevent Trump from becoming president, a reluctant vote for Trump to prevent Hillary from becoming president. There are also several that are very enthusiastic about Trump but most conservatives that I know seem to be voting on the reluctant platform. Among Mormon conservatives I see a few that quote ETB, “If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil and you will be judged for it.” taking the suggestion to not vote for evil to heart. I’m not sure what their plans are but I am curious.
When politics comes up at church I try not to get involved. When I take a step back I recognize that I’m just one idiot sitting in a church building on a random Sunday. Arguing my point of view isn’t going to change anyone’s mind and there’s going to be no butterfly effect. People have generally made up their minds by the time they start talking politics to people at church.
If you live in a state that’s usually a red state or a blue state your vote doesn’t matter anyway, right?
nibbler wrote:Most conservative Mormons I know have expressed similar sentiments that I see being expressed by the general public, a reluctant vote for Hillary to prevent Trump from becoming president, a reluctant vote for Trump to prevent Hillary from becoming president. There are also several that are very enthusiastic about Trump but most conservatives that I know seem to be voting on the reluctant platform.
Among Mormon conservatives I see a few that quote ETB, “If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil and you will be judged for it.” taking the suggestion to not vote for evil to heart. I’m not sure what their plans are but I am curious.
When politics comes up at church I try not to get involved. When I take a step back I recognize that I’m just one idiot sitting in a church building on a random Sunday. Arguing my point of view isn’t going to change anyone’s mind and there’s going to be no butterfly effect. People have generally made up their minds by the time they start talking politics to people at church.
If you live in a state that’s usually a red state or a blue state your vote doesn’t matter anyway, right?
A couple things stand out to me here. First, I think I have felt like I have voted for the lesser of two evils in almost every election of every kind since the first Bush. (I consider myself independent and have not consistently voted for one party or the other.) However, it is unconscionable for me not to vote. In local elections in uncontested races I have left lines blank before, but the presidential race is contested and I won’t do that. The good news is that I don’t believe much of what ETB said and I don’t believe God cares who I vote for.
The other is you’re right – my state’s electoral college vote will go to the Democrat no matter who it is, so my vote does not count were I to vote for Trump. We do have a hotly contested congressional race going on.
I think these kinds of thoughts go along with what discussions in church are about in many ways. Some things don’t really matter. Except for personal integrity or showing “I did something rather than nothing”.
I could write in “Romney” on the ticket. It won’t do anything, but I can tell my family and I can be at peace with it.
And the world continues to rotate and life goes on.
It is hard to know what really matters and what doesn’t. So I can separate out what matters in the grand scheme of things vs. what matters personally to me.
That can be a large part of many topics at church. Aside from politics and POTUS.
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