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Sheldon wrote:
15:03And why did BYU finally change its mind? Just follow the profits……………
Although the comparison between profits and prophets is clever, I strongly disagree.
I believe the reason behind the change is because the current situation was increasingly indefensible. The church does not prohibit caffeine (although it sorta did in the past), the students clearly wanted it, and the situation was just making BYU look ridiculous and reinforcing the notion that BYU is some sort of big brother/babysitter.
If it were just for desire for more drink sales, I believe the BYU would have held out until the Millennium.
Roy wrote:
Sheldon wrote:
15:03And why did BYU finally change its mind? Just follow the profits……………
Although the comparison between profits and prophets is clever, I strongly disagree.
I believe the reason behind the change is because the current situation was increasingly indefensible. The church does not prohibit caffeine (although it sorta did in the past), the students clearly wanted it, and the situation was just making BYU look ridiculous and reinforcing the notion that BYU is some sort of big brother/babysitter.
If it were just for desire for more drink sales, I believe the BYU would have held out until the Millennium.
I agree, but Sheldon’s post was funny.But I would say that their defense for why to not carry caffeine drinks was starting to sound like a lie. “There is no demand for it” just was not true – almost like women don’t have the priesthood because nobody is asking for it (but that hasn’t been repeated since Pres Hinckley).
I have some TBM kids at the Y and graduated from the Y and they would just laugh at that and say it isn’t true. My most TBM kid showed a video where in the on-campus dorms they were trying to stack drink cans up to the ceiling on a wall that was probably 15 feet long. And almost every one of the cans there were caffeinated, including some Jolt/Monster/Red Bull drinks. He also recounted where they had a long night doing a “drinking game” with Mountain Dew and him and all his roomates drank so much they couldn’t go to sleep until the middle of the next day. My wife was appalled, but calmed down when I mentioned that 99.9% of “college drinking games” dealt with alcohol and she should be glad this was all he was doing. That did calm her down.
How long until beards are unbanned? As it stands now, probably well less than half the professors enforce the rule.
Beefster wrote:
How long until beards are unbanned?As it stands now, probably well less than half the professors enforce the rule.
My son at BYU tells me the same thing about beards. He says it is not enforced at the testing center anymore either. But he also told me a close friend of his who has a beard card was told they are making the card requirements more stringent (in other words it’s now harder to get a beard card).
LookingHard wrote:
But I would say that their defense for why to not carry caffeine drinks was starting to sound like a lie. “There is no demand for it” just was not true
On of the major difficulties that I have with the church is how they seem to give the members bogus reasons for why they do things. Example:
1) there are no longer janitors to give the members the privilege of caring for their own buildings.
2) when women employed by CES got married and were then released from their jobs because the women wanted to stay in the home.
3) when caffeinated drinks are banned from BYU because the kids do not want it.
4) when the November policy of exclusion was presented because the church does not want to participate in a “tug of war” over the hearts and minds of the children of SSM couples.
In these and other examples I am just left wondering, “Can’t you just explain to me the rationale and thought process for the decision? Why are even simple and mundane things hidden behind excuses and half-truths?”
Sometimes they only have half-truths, waiting for more light and knowledge means incomplete truth now. In those cases…they do their best with what they have. Sometimes it is not good enough in the moment for us. Long term may be different, but it causes frustration now.
Spirituality is dealing with frustration with faith.
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