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johnh wrote:
I think we are exposed to a lot of free thought…and I also think that our church organization tends to be overly conservative …. probably a reaction to the liberal environment
This is a possibility, I think.
Is it possible that certain areas were taught a more fundamental incorrect view of LDS doctrine and theology ? Quote:Is it possible that certain areas were taught a more fundamental incorrect view of LDS doctrine and theology?
Sure, but we are talking about the Northwest, not Utah.
Of course, you might be on to something – if the people in question grew up in Utah and moved to the Northwest, where they were exposed to the other interpretations and perspectives for the first time. That might explain the Northeast numbers, as well.
eman wrote:What about Washington? Im not feelin the love…
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I consider Washington and Oregon the NW.
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I consider Washington and Oregon the NW.Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk 2
Sorry. I meant to post that in the calling all Oregon folks thread. Would have made more sense.
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Get eman….my truck dives north too! What part of Washington?
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Seattle area The North West of England is a hotbed of apostates and liberal thinkers too! And we have better beer
brit-exmo wrote:The North West of England is a hotbed of apostates and liberal thinkers too!
And we have better beer
Must be the Preston Temple’s presence…
I hear we’re getting a British Pageant too up that way.
Quote:I hear we’re getting a British Pageant too up that way.
As usual, the church is
decades behind. Don’t they realize that the only people who feel extremely British are loyalists in Belfast? I’d mention the English too, but to be honest, they can’t disentangle Englishness from Britishness. They don’t really know the difference. Every year, the number of people who feel “British” in Scotland and Wales gets lower and lower. Scottish and Welsh identity is more important to them than some former of greater Englishness. Off Wikipedia –
“There is evidence that people in Scotland are increasingly likely to describe themselves as Scottish, and less likely to say they are British. A 2006 study by social scientists at the Universities of Edinburgh, Dundee, St Andrews and Lancaster shows that more than eight out of ten people in Scotland saw themselves as Scottish. At the same time, there has been a long-term decline in Scots defining themselves as British, although more than half of the people in the survey saw themselves as British”
Scotland’s due to have an independence referendum next year. It has a pro-independence government. Irish and Welsh nationalists are in the Northern Irish and Welsh legislatures too.
And what do the Mormons do? Plug Britishness. Trust them to find a dead duck.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-430910/Dont-British-England.html Quote:The number of people describing themselves as “British” is plummetting amid fears for the future of the United Kingdom.
A major survey of social attitudes among 3,000 Britons reveals a dramatic surge in people who see themselves first and foremost as “English” – in an apparent reaction to nationalism and devolution in Scotland and Wales.
I notice that they are referring to the “British Isles”, so presumably that includes the Republic of Ireland, which has been independent for nearly a century!!!
Or are the Irish still in Grossenengland?
“Why so many “NOMs” in the Northwest?”
I blame that on my cousin, Brother Sasquatch.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/01/bigfoot-is-mysterious-screech-sasquatch/ SamBee wrote:Quote:I hear we’re getting a British Pageant too up that way.
As usual, the church is
decades behind. Don’t they realize that the only people who feel extremely British are loyalists in Belfast? I’d mention the English too, but to be honest, they can’t disentangle Englishness from Britishness. They don’t really know the difference. Every year, the number of people who feel “British” in Scotland and Wales gets lower and lower. Scottish and Welsh identity is more important to them than some former of greater Englishness. Off Wikipedia –
“There is evidence that people in Scotland are increasingly likely to describe themselves as Scottish, and less likely to say they are British. A 2006 study by social scientists at the Universities of Edinburgh, Dundee, St Andrews and Lancaster shows that more than eight out of ten people in Scotland saw themselves as Scottish. At the same time, there has been a long-term decline in Scots defining themselves as British, although more than half of the people in the survey saw themselves as British”
Scotland’s due to have an independence referendum next year. It has a pro-independence government. Irish and Welsh nationalists are in the Northern Irish and Welsh legislatures too.
And what do the Mormons do? Plug Britishness. Trust them to find a dead duck.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-430910/Dont-British-England.html Quote:The number of people describing themselves as “British” is plummetting amid fears for the future of the United Kingdom.
A major survey of social attitudes among 3,000 Britons reveals a dramatic surge in people who see themselves first and foremost as “English” – in an apparent reaction to nationalism and devolution in Scotland and Wales.
I notice that they are referring to the “British Isles”, so presumably that includes the Republic of Ireland, which has been independent for nearly a century!!!
Or are the Irish still in Grossenengland?
“Why so many “NOMs” in the Northwest?”
I blame that on my cousin, Brother Sasquatch.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/01/bigfoot-is-mysterious-screech-sasquatch/ In UK they can’t win either way. If they called it the English Pageant the Welsh and Scottish LDS would be outraged.
After London 2012 we’re all feeling quite proud of TeamGB so being British is pretty cool for the time being.
The TeamGB soccer team was about as popular in Scotland as a bacon butty at a bar mitzvah. No one wanted it in Wales and NI either bar members of the BNP. But then again England, Scotland and Wales are banned from sending their own teams to the Olympics. Unlike Puerto Rico, Hong Kong and several other non independent states.
The Scottish and Welsh flags were also banned at the London Olympics.
People in Dublin are not “British” in any way, shape or form.
So why is the LDS still promoting an imperial identity? Decades after it should have died?
SamBee wrote:The TeamGB soccer team was about as popular in Scotland as a bacon butty at a bar mitzvah. No one wanted it in Wales and NI either bar members of the BNP.
But then again England, Scotland and Wales are banned from sending their own teams to the Olympics. Unlike Puerto Rico, Hong Kong and several other non independent states.
The Scottish and Welsh flags were also banned at the London Olympics.
People in Dublin are not “British” in any way, shape or form.
So why is the LDS still promoting an imperial identity? Decades after it should have died?
Are you Scottish Sambee, I didn’t realise we had so many Brits (sorry, not brits, I mean umm… well… I can’t think of another word). Actually, you’ve given yourself away as probably not, given you called it ‘soccer’
The TeamGB football team was indeed a farce. I think every ‘home nation’ felt that. The biggest fear though was that FIFA would use it as an excuse to force the 3 FAs to merge, which no-one wants. It was more about that fear than problems with national identity (TBH, having football at the Olympics at all is a farce). But Sir Chris Hoy was everyone’s hero. And I would be very surprised if the Scots and Welsh weren’t cheering the legendary Bradley Wiggins all the way home.
I was born in England, have lived in Wales and am Scottish on my maternal grandma’s side. With the exception of a few minority hard-liners I really doubt that anyone in Britain is going to see the name ‘British Pageant’ as the LDS promoting out of date imperialism.
Britishness is a joke. It was invented to co-opt people into the Empire. It is a political not a geographical term.There are anti-RC riots by bigots in Belfast over the union jack, a recent referendum in Wales and an upcoming one in Scotland on independence. None of Ireland is ‘British’ not even geographically. The Republic of Ireland is not in the UK – Calling a Dubliner a Brit is a good way to start a fight.
While European languages have words for Britain- and don’t use them- Arabic, Chinese, Thai, Japanese etc do not have words for it. The Mandarin for Britain is Ying Kwouk, Arabic Ingleezi. GO FIGURE. When there is a treaty it is the Anglo whatever. There is no Bank of Britain either.
Centuries of conquest, colonialism, racism, slavery, war, theft, genocide and the destruction of Celtic societies? Nice legacy. Time to stop wrapping our church in the Butcher’s Apron.
SamBee wrote:Britishness is a joke. It was invented to co-opt people into the Empire.
It is a political not a geographical term.There are anti-RC riots by bigots in Belfast over the union jack, a recent referendum in Wales and an upcoming one in Scotland on independence. None of Ireland is ‘British’ not even geographically. The Republic of Ireland is not in the UK – Calling a Dubliner a Brit is a good way to start a fight.
While European languages have words for Britain- and don’t use them- Arabic, Chinese, Thai, Japanese etc do not have words for it. The Mandarin for Britain is Ying Kwouk, Arabic Ingleezi. GO FIGURE. When there is a treaty it is the Anglo whatever. There is no Bank of Britain either.
Centuries of conquest, colonialism, racism, slavery, war, theft, genocide and the destruction of Celtic societies? Nice legacy. Time to stop wrapping our church in the Butcher’s Apron.
But I know of almost no people from England/Scotland/Wales who feel so aggressively about the term “British.” I know plenty of proud Welshmen who want to be still be part of the union. The Scottish nationals will almost certainly loose their vote on independence and Wales will probably never get to one.
I agree on Republic of Ireland though – it’s no more a part of Britain than Canada or Australia is.
As I said before, Welsh and Scottish LDS would probably have been more offended if it had been called ‘The English Pageant.’ Everyone is comfortable with the idea that the term ‘Britain/British’ is simply a term of convenience for England/Scotland/Wales… ‘The Island.’
I’m sorry if you have a negative feeling towards Britain as a word or England’s heritage. But as mentioned, most people that I know really don’t feel this way.
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