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    Despite what people say, the historicity was never the most important aspect of BoM, spirituality is. I can vouch for the latter, not the former. I think God works in mysterious ways, and the BoM is an example of that.

    If historicity is so important, why don’t we know most of the locations in it? Sure, we know the Middle East locations, and we know Cumorah, where the plates were dug up, but no one can say 100% where exactly Zarahemla or even the neck of land are. Most folk assume Central America, but that is not for certain.

    Our knowledge of the art, architecture, clothing, diet, furniture and even languages of the Lamanites, Nephites and Jaredites is limited at best.

    We don’t know anything about the sports of these peoples, other than hunting, their marriage rites, their road systems etc etc

    So you could say that historicity takes a back seat. Mormon archeology has turned up interesting things, but no substantial evidence in the New World.

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    Makes me start to wonder what the church would do when priesthood holding men will not allow their children to be baptized unless they do it? Will the church risk not getting an 8 year old baptized to maintain their perceived control over the father? It is an interesting situation to think about.

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    I will have a son that will need ordination to be a deacon in a few years. I may be restricted from performing that ordinance if I don’t keep my mouth quiet about my true feelings on certain subjects.

    I have a suggestion — if a priesthood leader denies you the privilege of blessing your children in formal ordinances…could you do this..read these points below?

    a) insist on a private blessing/ordination etcetera to get around the public shaming inherent in being denied the priviledge of giving the blessing.

    b) get the Bishop or someone you trust to do it, particularly someone who can keep confidences

    c) give a father’s blessing at home regarding the ordination/blessing afterwards. Record that blessing and even type it out for posterity.

    You gain the ability to put your own inspiration on the event, and provide something fatherly that can go down in history. You avoid public embarassment. You could even put your hands on the person’s head and not invoke the priesthood at all if you felt that was the right thing to do.

    This has one downside — for an older family member, you lose the social support component of doing it publicly.

    For, me the crux of the issue is whether you can give a father’s blessing in the home when a priesthood leader has deemed you unworthy to use the Melch Priesthood for a public ordinance.

    If I ever do this, I would be VERY interested in also sensing the extent to which I felt the spirit. I think it would be present. I feel it profoundly at weddings of non-members, in movies that impart truth, etcetera. If given with love and pure motives to inspire your family member, I would be very surprised is the Spirit wasn’t present.

    What do you think of this approach?

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    whether you can give a father’s blessing in the home when a priesthood leader has deemed you unworthy to use the Melch Priesthood for a public ordinance.

    Absolutely. No question about it. I’ve even encouraged non-members to give father’s blessings, obviously without citing any Priesthood authority. The concept is glorious, whether or not there is any outside power involved.

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