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http://fox13now.com/2018/06/03/7-day-fast-from-social-media-among-advice-president-nelson-offers-lds-youth-at-devotional/ ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://fox13now.com/2018/06/03/7-day-fast-from-social-media-among-advice-president-nelson-offers-lds-youth-at-devotional/ I don’t know if tonight’s Youth Fireside will come up on any thread – I am asking everyone else to address it if it does. I am still steaming over the Tithing gets you out of Poverty experience. (And I like the law of tithing).
I don’t mind the idea of Social Media Fast/Break – we should all take it. Most of us grew up just fine with out it. But it’s also a different world.
Number 2, 3, and 5 bug me the most.
#2 – I am assuming is a subtle hint towards video games, and other things. When I was a teen my favorite thing was the sports I participated in. Giving that up would have had dire consequences for many seasons to come.
#3 – Ummm, could rant for hours on that.
#5 – This method isn’t conducive to many relationships. I am not saying follow the crowd. But we tend to take different, unique, peculiar and wrap them in Amish Cloth.
As you can tell – I will not be a good responder. I knew this Presidency would be tough for me. Politically now, many left leaning commentators, say how much they miss George Bush. This girl here, misses Gordon B. Hinckley a ton.
I should go and check out that link when I have time, I really shoudl go and listen to the fireside with my 2 teenagers…but …I’m not sure. undecided if I care to make the effort. I like some guidelines about technology use. Or anything…everything should have balance to it.
But you are 100% RIGHT…it’s a different world and it’s not so bad as people fear…it is just different. You know…when they first put radios in to cars back in the 40s and 50s…there was an outrage about the distraction to drivers. And now…that isn’t even a big deal…texting and driving is…but radios is not.
It feels like that…they will use extreme examples to warn kids (and families)…but mostly people should just use common sense. There is often a lack of common sense, so warnings are good…it just feels like this conservative church over-does it because it makes us feel like we are doing something important if we start having warnings about things.
Maybe it is good for some people to have something to attribute to the devil to make their life vision meaningful. But…it seems like a lotta hubalaloo about nonsense.
That’s my rant.
I’ll look for comments and threads, mom3. Thanks for your take on things. Hang in there. Pres Nelson is in his 90s!
When I watched, the stream cut out every minute or so. The only remedy was to refresh the whole page. Don’t know if it was my crummy ISP or whether the church streaming service was overwhelmed. I missed a lot of it. 1) Listening live, this one made me smile, only because based on my experiences with general conference I tried to imagine the internal debate I knew a few viewers were having:
[attachment=0]youth_dilemma.jpg[/attachment] 2) This one gets to me as well. Mostly because when I was orthodox I would feel guilty for pursuing hobbies. Hobbies I’m no longer physically capable of doing, hobbies that are now gone forever… but church mess, there’s no end to church mess, that’s still here, and no one will ever be done with church mess.
This kind of thing is used by the ‘harass others to be as committed as I am’ brigade. Leaders that try to make people feel guilty for spending time with their hobbies – I noticed you didn’t sign up to go on missionary splits but you
didhave time to _______. Granted I’ve only heard someone say something like that a handful of times over the span of decades, but for me and where I was at spiritually the time, hearing it once was enough. Kinda like that talk from a few general conferences back where a laurel was being praised for deciding that attending a church relief society meeting was more important than participating in a high school competition. Fine for her, and I can’t remember but it may have been framed as keeping a promise or framed as ‘choose you this day whom ye will serve’ but relief society meeting – that laurel has got 70 years of her life to attend those and one shot at the high school competition. But she chose the better path.
Perspective. Church programs and meetings will always be with us. Enjoy life while you’re young, church will still be here when you need it.
3) I think both of us could talk all day on this one.
4) Maybe I missed it but I kept expecting Nelson to really lay it on thick to get the youth to serve a mission. I think he provided enough window dressing for local leaders to turn the talk into a motivational piece to get people to serve missions. Time will tell.
5) I take issue with this one more than the others. I don’t know whether I live in a conservative area (not just LDS, religious people in general) or a conservative stake, or ward… but our ward has really been on a us vs. the world trip lately. I think people here still haven’t let go of bitter feelings over gay marriage being legalized but no one ever addresses it directly, it’s usually framed as the world being this evil, wicked place that just gets worse and worse as time passes and all I can think is… it was the evil world that forced our hand to get us to lift the PH ban…
the lifting that we just celebrated. If not for pressure from the evil, wicked world we’d probably still be marching merrily along, advancing our many theories. We don’t need to add any more fuel to the us vs. them fire.
1. I don’t mind the break from social media either, and I have taken breaks (including from here) from time to time. I’m not sure most young people could handle willingly taking a break for that amount of time though. Taking a break because one wants to or sees a need to is different from an “imposed” break or doing it because someone else wants you to. 2. Shorter version of lent?
3. Agree with Mom and Nibbler. In any case leave out the parent and especially the bishop.
4. Prayer is prayer and in my view all prayer is a waste of time and energy anyway. But if you’re going to pray, why not pray for all God’s children?
5. Also agree with Mom.
Pride Swallowing Here I Come – My daughter suggested I read the transcript of the event not just the news headlines on it. Sure enough there are things I am thrilled to hear spoken.
Sister Nelson:
Quote:Do you know that feeling? You look around and everyone else is tall and straight and reaching to heaven, so to speak.
They have everything figured out. They wear the perfect clothes, always seem to say the right things, have no problems, are perfectly obedient—and seem never to have made a mistake in their lives.
She used a graphic image and analogy of twisted tree standing among all the stately strong ones.
Quote:My dear brothers and sisters, it’s time to stop comparing ourselves with others. It’s time to put away those erroneous views of ourselves and others. The truth is that we are not as hopelessly flawed as we may think, and others are not as perfect as they may appear—all except, of course, our Savior, Jesus Christ.
Quote:So, let me ask you a question: What were you born to do?
She told a cool story about asking women in Russia to stand up by their Tribe of Israel grouping. Every tribe but Levi was accounted for. Kind of unique and cool. Even if it’s just symbolic.
President Nelson:
Quote:So, my first invitation to you today is to disengage from a constant reliance on social media by holding a seven-day fast from social media. I acknowledge that there are positives about social media. But if you are paying more attention to feeds from social media than you are to the whisperings of the Spirit, then you are putting yourself at spiritual risk—as well as the risk of experiencing intense loneliness and depression.
Quote:You and I both know youth who have been influenced through social media to do and say things that they never would do or say in person. Bullying is one example.
Quote:Another downside of social media is that it creates a false reality. Everyone posts their most fun, adventurous, and exciting pictures, which create the erroneous impression that everyone except you is leading a fun, adventurous, and exciting life. Much of what appears in your various social media feeds is distorted, if not fake. So give yourself a seven-day break from fake!
Quote:Choose seven consecutive days and go for it! See if you notice any difference in how you feel and what you think, and even how you think, during those seven days. After seven days, notice if there are some things you want to stop doing and some things you now want to start doing.
This social media fast can be just between you and the Lord.
The other items are pretty much a gentle call to build Zion and look Mormon.
I think though I can make room for some softness in my response.
Seems like Deje Vu to me. I think I’ve done this once before. Dang!!!
When General Conference week comes around, perhaps I’ll try the 7 day fast from online viewing of any general conference talks and responses from it. I might find that counsel to be wise at that time of the year.
I’m serious. For the same reasons in the quotes above.
I will digest the wisdom of general conference a bit at a time when I’m prepared for it. I don’t need a weekend to drink from the firehose, so to speak.
The same wisdom they give about unplugging from social media applies similarly to church media (which is available online to consume). I won’t be bullied or guilted into more and more church and how special we are and how wicked the world is…and all the hyperbole and false reality that comes from hyped up mormon leaders….
Quote:which create the erroneous impression that everyone except you is leading a fun, adventurous, and exciting life [and righteous]. Much of what appears in your various social media feeds is distorted, if not fake. So give yourself a seven-day break from fake!
All things in small doses. Social media. And church.
Quote:When General Conference week comes around, perhaps I’ll try the 7 day fast from online viewing of any general conference talks and responses from it.
I might find that counsel to be wise at that time of the year.
I’m serious. For the same reasons in the quotes above.
I find it a good weekend to go hiking or camping. It helps.
I hear you Mom that there’s good stuff in there. I can usually find gems in most talks, even those by GAs I don’t particularly care for. The problem is those things aren’t what the general population focuses on. Cases in point: What was the take away from
Come Join With Us? Doubt your doubts. Pres. Monson rarely talked about the Book of Mormon (relatively speaking) and most often talked about loving each other (almost every GC) and temples. But since April 2017 – where his other talk was also about love – my stake has been non-stop “read the Book of Mormon every day.” Sad but true.
^ Yesterday I visited a friend I hadn’t seen in a while. He showed me what their ward’s takeaway was. They had their youth create a (very pretty) painting on a piece of wood that said, “Enlist in the youth battalion of the Lord -Russel M Nelson”
Orthodox members are going to get something completely different out of these talks. I think ours is the responsibility to mention what we get out of the lessons when the talks are covered during church, that way a broader spectrum gets represented instead of just the narrower orthodox spectrum.
There’s got to be more to the message than “fight the world.”
DJ and Nibbler – If I don’t try to calm myself somehow, I won’t make it. I believe President Monson gave the Book of Mormon talk under duress. I am not kidding. It is one of Nelson and Oaks biggies “that BoM”. I think with his age and stage it was easy to “encourage” him or even write for him an address that fit the direct they were headed. Like your Stake it’s all I hear. My mostly believing daughter said “can we read anything else.” Even she doesn’t remember growing up with this much “Read the BoM” talk.
The Uchtdorf thing also has become cringeworthy and heartbreaking.
And the sign from your friends Stake/Ward Nibbler – I fear is only the beginning. It’s Youth Conference and Camp season. I expect Mormon Brigade on T-shirts and Hoodies, too.
I know people keep saying “He’s 90.” But he is 70 and going strong to me. My quotes were my best effort to find something. I had raged for a week over it. And I don’t even have youth anymore.
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